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I don't think you understand me, I'll address each point individually:

1. The world was really not in the mood for another bloody world war and I don't really blame them. They didn't choose shame, they chose diplomacy which unfortunately failed, but I'd say it's much more shameful to immediately choose war and the death of many over diplomacy. Compare it to Russia invading Ukraine, would you support the west using force through war or diplomacy? I know what id prefer.

2. Needless to say, you cannot base international politics off of an idealistic and ideological book.

3. Somewhat agree that some UK leaders did want a strong German counter-weight to France but that very quickly dissapated after the whole Rhineland incident. The monarch's opinion is fairly irrelevent and he was quickly brought down anyway.

4. I'm afraid I don't understand your English for a lot of the middle paragraph.

5. It is true the allies did have some economic co-operation with Germany, but that pretty much immediately ended once Germany started getting greedy and warmongering. The soviets however continued not only the economic co-operation, but also it's military co-operation even as Germany was conquering other countries. Big undeniable difference there.

And i think you dont understand me.
1. it dosnt matter what was mood. it was realy simple, to have shorter war now or longer more boody war latter. no whisfull thinking should change that fact. only short sighted persons didnt sow it, like chamberlain. but other see it, like churchill. and history prooved one stone hard truth - no wishfull thinking, doesnst matter how strong can change reality.
and for your ukraine, well, it was west which funded and created coup, which led to current problems. And if you look at news more closely, you will see that west not only sending wepons to ukraine, but have deployd military units (instructors/special units) here too.

2. realy ? hitler did that, and it worked for him for some time realy well. or look at mao tse tung, kim cong ill and others.

3. which rhinland incident you have in mind ? you mean german reocupation in 36 , in which west told we dont care, dosnt matter it is breaking of versai ? and strong germany pronents were in uk politicks not only in 36 but they surived not only to 38 but up to 40.

4. you mean that "we dont care about your eastern allies" one ? well to make it short, this policy meaned end of british empire after wwii. if they cared, they should keep thier empire.

5. no, uk/france was keeped economical contact with germany until war actualy started, they happily traded with germany, even after munich. just google it, and us traded with them even in 41.
so no difference compared to soviets.
onlyest difference is military cooperation, but hey why you have problem with that ? is is same side of coin you love in 1. military cooperation was good for soviet at that time (even it backfired later), same as munich was good for british empire at that time (which backfired later too).
 
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And i think you dont understand me.
1. it dosnt matter what was mood. it was realy simple, to have shorter war now or longer more boody war latter. no whisfull thinking should change that fact. only short sighted persons didnt sow it, like chamberlain. but other see it, like churchill. and history prooved one stone hard truth - no wishfull thinking, doesnst matter how strong can change reality.
and for your ukraine, well, it was west which funded and created coup, which led to current problems. And if you look at news more closely, you will see that west not only sending wepons to ukraine, but have deployd military units (instructors/special units) here too.

2. realy ? hitler did that, and it worked for him for some time realy well. or look at mao tse tung, kim cong ill and others.

3. which rhinland incident you have in mind ? you mean german reocupation in 36 , in which west told we dont care, dosnt matter it is breaking of versai ? and strong germany pronents were in uk politicks not only in 36 but they surived not only to 38 but up to 40.

4. you mean that "we dont care about your eastern allies" one ? well to make it short, this policy meaned end of british empire after wwii. if they cared, they should keep thier empire.

5. no, uk/france was keeped economical contact with germany until war actualy started, they happily traded with germany, even after munich. just google it, and us traded with them even in 41.
so no difference compared to soviets.
onlyest difference is military cooperation, but hey why you have problem with that ? is is same side of coin you love in 1. military cooperation was good for soviet at that time (even it backfired later), same as munich was good for british empire at that time (which backfired later too).
I don't think we're getting anywhere here possibly partially down to language, but I will say I disagree with you on pretty much everything, particularly your pro-war attitude. I am fairly sure if you were around then and had experienced WW1 you would be a lot less willing to start another world war. And uh, I'm not sure where you're from but I gotta say your Ukraine views are pretty questionable and unsupported, but that's off-topic again.
 
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UK being a naval and economic powerhouse just seemed to have such an underwhelming performance in the World Wars. I guess in WW2 you can make at least make a strong case they showed awesome grit for stomaching it out alone against Nazi Germany until the Nazis invaded the USSR, but still......what were the main factors for such poor showing?

In what ways was their performance in either World War underwhelming? By what standards are you measuring their performance?

Lumping both wars together is not a constructive analytical tactic. They were very different.

It is very strange to me that people give the UK breadcrumbs for their World War 2 performance. "Oh you held out against Nazi Germany, I guess that is good".

The UK paid dearly in lives and pounds/dollars for every year they survived the war. It was not a cheap sacrifice nor an easy accomplishment.

In the Normandy landings and after, their contribution was massive and instrumental, and could not have been done without them.

Before 1940, they were never geared to be a great land power, and their armed forces were never designed with the idea of tangoing en masse with Germany or Russia. Their foreign policy revolved around relying on the French Army.

The amount of troops they mobilized and put in the field in WW1, and the performance of army and tank groups in North Africa and Normandy, should demonstrate their ability to shift focus.
 
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UK being a naval and economic powerhouse just seemed to have such an underwhelming performance in the World Wars. I guess in WW2 you can make at least make a strong case they showed awesome grit for stomaching it out alone against Nazi Germany until the Nazis invaded the USSR, but still......what were the main factors for such poor showing?

The only nation (well, at least major - I'm not talking about the rash of countries that declared war in Germany in 1945 so they could say they were in the Allies, but didn't do anything) that I would describe as performing anywhere near and underwhelming fashion during WW2 would be Italy, and even then it had its moments, and many of its units were still top-notch. You've had plenty of evidence to highlight why it wasn't actually a poor showing, so I'll try and focus on the ones that haven't been mentioned, or elaborate on some of those that have.

The most important thing to keep in mind (after reading @FOARP's post covering WWI - in WWI the British had a first-rate army and a first-rate Navy, and pretty much bankrupted the Empire to do it - to describe their effort as underwhelming suggest's someone's research prior to posting has been a tad underwhelming as well) is that the British Empire paid very heavily for its success in WWI. Be it for out-producing Germany in Dreadnoughts, or fielding an army of the size it did, with the support it had, it cost them dearly, and they never recovered financially (or, by the start of WW2, emotionally and demographically).

So - as FOARP well puts it, they didn't underwhelmingly perform in WWI, anything but. I'd be interesting in knowing where you got this impression.

As for WW2, it's important to realise that Britain in 1939 was not Britain in 1914. The Empire may have been larger, but the combination of the drain (financial and demographic) of WWI, combined with changing economic and social practices (people in colonies wanting self-determination, which was a thing before WW2 and would have happened without WW2 - indeed, much of the British Empire didn't become independent until the 1960s, and while the subcontinent (which did become independent in the late 1940s) did become independent pretty much straight after the war, it had been agitating for independence since before WWI). Note, everything below uses 'Britain' for 'Britain and Commonwealth' for ease of writing - it's in no way suggesting Britain was anything other than one amongst a group of nations with a shared outlook.

Essentially, in the 1930s, the majority of the population (and Britain was a democracy, so this was a factor that the Government had to take into account) was strongly averse to war. Declaring war in 1938 would have been politically very dangerous, and a long war starting in 1938 with Britain looking the aggressor (and by 1938 it wasn't going to be a short war) could have destroyed whichever political party went down that path, and substantially increased the potential for a compromise peace and a far worse long-term outcome. The anti-war sentiment also limited how much money the Government could spend building up its forces and, given limited resources, the UK focussed on its navy and air force (although it still put significant effort into its army - of all the major combatants, Britain and the US were the only two that had first-class navies, air forces and armies).

So we've got British forces probably about as strong as they are likely to be, in the circumstances, at the start of the war. This means a Navy that's first-class, an airforce that's solid and growing quickly, and a small but very capable army, but one that was to take far too long to adjust to armoured warfare (and if you're looking for somewhere that the British were underwhelming, it was their bad habit of driving tanks into emplaced '88s in the western desert).

So what can we expect from this - we can expect that the British will control the seas (which they did in Europe, making some fairly bold moves in the Mediterranean that paid off, as well as a bold move in South East Asia that did not) and use the navy to ensure it can't be defeated, which it did. Had the British gone with a smaller navy and a larger army, it's far more likely that they would have been forced to surrender earlier. Further, a navy isn't a purely defensive endeavour, as the blockade of Germany in WWI proved (although trade with the Soviets pre-Barbarossa limited the impact of this until post-Barbarossa).

The air force put substantial pressure on Germany from the air (there were I think (and going from memory, so this could be a bit off) 2 million personnel manning Germany's air defences, and quite a few aircraft to - that's a pretty decent amount of manpower tied down by the RAF (initially by themselves and then in conjunction with the USAAF), and there was an impact on industrial production and morale (or those 2 million Germans would have been off on the Eastern Front, along with all their aircraft and artillery), although the extent of this impact is heavily debated.

From the army, we can expect that initially it can't do much more than be a 'pinch hitter', but will grow in time to make a significant contribution - which it did. The British and Canadians did the hard fighting that lead to the break-out from Normandy (and were expected to have the hardest beach landings as well, although the US got unlucky here and had by far the worst of it on the beaches), and a lot of the harder fighting on the way into Germany, until the Battle of the Bulge. Early on, the British Army helped slow the Germans during their charge through France and decimated the Italian forces in Libya, but were also strategically misused at times (the deployment to Greece was optimistic to say the least), but not to a degree less or worse than other nations.

Another thing to keep in mind - just like the British had to keep a significant portion of the RN in place to defend against the Kriegsmarine, the Germans kept significant forces in France to defend against possible Allied incursions, and after the invasion of Italy (of which Empire and Commowealth troops formed the majority of land forces), the Germans withdrew key units from the Russian Front to bolster the Italian defence, aiding the Russians at Kursk (I'm not suggesting they wouldn't have won at Kursk, but having fewer elite divisions to fight is always a good thing!)

Of course, I don't subscribe to the 'plucky Britain defeats monstrous Germany' myth either - Britain was a world power, with a naval focus, and should not have been in a position where it had to capitulate to Germany (and wasn't), but I'd say that it made a contribution appropriate to its capabilities during the war, and in many cases did well (while in others did badly). It's an incredibly (incredibly) difficult job to benchmark each of the powers' performance during the period, but it's far more complicated than saying "Britain was big, so why didn't it do more?" (particularly when it did rather a lot) - it'd be the equivalent of saying "Germany's GDP was bigger than Britain's, so why didn't it sink the RN and invade the UK? As noted earlier, the only nation which I think could have done significantly better (assuming they did the same thing, but better) would be Italy.

Hope that helps, just my 2 cents, but while the idea that Britain 'saved the world' by 'holding on against all odds' is obviously fanciful, suggesting they were impotent in WW2 (let alone WW1!) is equally off the planet.

Edit: I'm not trying to suggest the UK did it easily either - anything but - the Battle of the Atlantic is a good place to start looking as to why.

Edit 2: Removed the first sentence of my reply, which was unnecessary. Apologies, I wasn't trying to be rude, you just caught me early while my brain was still 'brittle'.
 
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In what ways was their performance in either World War underwhelming? By what standards are you measuring their performance?

Lumping both wars together is not a constructive analytical tactic. They were very different.

It is very strange to me that people give the UK breadcrumbs for their World War 2 performance. "Oh you held out against Nazi Germany, I guess that is good".

The UK paid dearly in lives and pounds/dollars for every year they survived the war. It was not a cheap sacrifice nor an easy accomplishment.

In the Normandy landings and after, their contribution was massive and instrumental, and could not have been done without them.

Before 1940, they were never geared to be a great land power, and their armed forces were never designed with the idea of tangoing en masse with Germany or Russia. Their foreign policy revolved around relying on the French Army.

The amount of troops they mobilized and put in the field in WW1, and the performance of army and tank groups in North Africa and Normandy, should demonstrate their ability to shift focus.

of course they were different wars.


however, their WW1 performance was VERY underwhelming to the extent I would almost classify it as "half-a**ed" due to the lack of urgency especially at the outbreak. maybe that was the British strategy...let Russia, France, Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Italy beat up each other while they stay fresh and clean. I consider their WW2 effort to be much improved, but they were basically brushed aside and reduced to a damsel in distress on her island after being outperformed yet again. Thank the stars Hitler went after the monstrous USSR.


both world wars, it's difficult to consider UK anything more than an underachiever who happened to be on the winning side. maybe my expectations should have been more aligned with what they did in the Napoleonic Wars, where again, they were shown not to perform well at all in a European continental war. But hey, deja vu with Russia (or US in WW1) to the rescue.
 
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I don't think we're getting anywhere here possibly partially down to language, but I will say I disagree with you on pretty much everything, particularly your pro-war attitude. I am fairly sure if you were around then and had experienced WW1 you would be a lot less willing to start another world war. And uh, I'm not sure where you're from but I gotta say your Ukraine views are pretty questionable and unsupported, but that's off-topic again.
yeah, my pro war attitide may sound bad, but i will reply you with realy old sayings.
si vis pacem, para bellum - if you wish peace, prepare for war. rome proverb
doesnt matter how your strenght looks now, if delay strenhten enemy more than you, strike now, doesnt matter odds. sun tsu
and well, since booth were truth 200 years ago, why you think they were wrong in 1938?

and on side note, did you heard about book ostners plot ? by some us historian. interesing book it is about prepared coup against hitler in 38 in case of war against czechoslovakia, and author writed here interesing idea, that in his option last think how to start WWII from starting was to prevent munich, after it war was inevitable.
what is your option about churchil, it was warmonger in your option ?
and explain me, how it is posible that he sow that "peace in your time" will not work ? and do you think he was alone ? just think why churchil wanted war in 38 rather than later.
and yes, i know about stong anti-war sentement in uk and especialy in france, but many forget that same was in germany too.
and again, try thinking why germans totaly changed thier mind just in 1 year, while brits and french didnt, even in 40.
 
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i have one question for dislikers of my pro war attitude.
Write here ONE scenario in which policy of appasment will work in long term, and dont make it only worse for you.
 
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of course they were different wars.


however, their WW1 performance was VERY underwhelming to the extent I would almost classify it as "half-a**ed" due to the lack of urgency especially at the outbreak. maybe that was the British strategy...let Russia, France, Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Italy beat up each other while they stay fresh and clean. I consider their WW2 effort to be much improved, but they were basically brushed aside and reduced to a damsel in distress on her island after being outperformed yet again. Thank the stars Hitler went after the monstrous USSR.


both world wars, it's difficult to consider UK anything more than an underachiever who happened to be on the winning side. maybe my expectations should have been more aligned with what they did in the Napoleonic Wars, where again, they were shown not to perform well at all in a European continental war. But hey, deja vu with Russia (or US in WW1) to the rescue.

Both of the statements you make here have been clearly and comprehensively refuted in previous posts in this thread which, give you started it, you should have had the decency to read. If you've decided you're going to hold onto your views regardless of the facts, then I'll leave you to it, but you're holding onto a very strong position despite having provided no compelling evidence for it, and in the face of substantial compelling evidence at against it.
 
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Sorry about the double-post, ninja'd. Might be before this pops up, no longer making it a double-post, in which case sorry about the odd ramble :).

i have one question for dislikers of my pro war attitude.
Write here ONE scenario in which policy of appasment will work in long term, and dont make it only worse for you.

I'm not for or against your pro war attitude, but I'd argue it was politically infeasible for Britain (or France) to declare war in 1938, and if they had gotten away with declaring war in the face of substantial opposition in the electorate, if they hadn't have won quickly there could have been a compromise peace that left Germany in a stronger position (and Britain and France in a weaker position) going forward. All theorycrafting, so wet thumb in the air stuff, but the idea that a DoW to defend Czeckslovakia was a no-brainer IRL is a bit simple. I do try and do it in-game when I'm playing as the UK though, and like the way PDS balances the cost-benefit of the decisions in-game are done pretty well from a gameplay perspective, given no HoI's have really been able to cope with modelling domestic political realities effectively.
 
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Essentially, in the 1930s, the majority of the population (and Britain was a democracy, so this was a factor that the Government had to take into account) was strongly averse to war. Declaring war in 1938 would have been politically very dangerous, and a long war starting in 1938 with Britain looking the aggressor (and by 1938 it wasn't going to be a short war) could have destroyed whichever political party went down that path, and substantially increased the potential for a compromise peace and a far worse long-term outcome. The anti-war sentiment also limited how much money the Government could spend building up its forces and, given limited resources, the UK focussed on its navy and air force (although it still put significant effort into its army - of all the major combatants, Britain and the US were the only two that had first-class navies, air forces and armies).
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yes, you writed it exelenty, main weaknes of any democracy is that politicks are more concerned about winning next election/getting re elected than solving problems that they cost them election or made it more harder, nice example today is greece and thier cosmetick reforms which in end make it harder for greeks in end after they colapse.

same situation as you pointed yout, was in 38 for uk, but unfortunately for chamberlain "peace for your time" didnt lasted long enough for him to win next elections. so he lost them, giving britain to churchil in worse position than if war broke in 38.
but fact is (known to us , but not to him) that war in 38 against germany will be short one IF britain and france decided to act , and not just watch as in 39. in 38 e.q. german luftwaffe have oil and lubricant just for 10 days of operations, bombs for 1 month, many wehrmacht divisions in just forming and not war ready. with many organizational and logisticks problems unresolved (they were fixed in 39, since they were nicely demonstared by ansluss of austria and later occuping of sudetenland), france didnt maked great field excercise so these problems were not discovered or fixed. so in 38 booth armies will have more ol less even starting position.
german army in 39 was not same as in 38, in 39 they have one whole year to fix problems, build stockpiles of resources and assimilated equpment for 50 divisions (10 austrians, 40 czechoslovakians), not to mention production of czechs military industry (skoda works was second biggest weapons producer in europe).
 
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Chamberlain didn't lose the elections, he god damn died. And the conservative party was still in power until the election after ww2. Chamberlain and Winston Churchill were from the same political party.
Czert, I think you need to look into your history a little bit more before you're so adamant about it.
 
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same situation as you pointed yout, was in 38 for uk, but unfortunately for chamberlain "peace for your time" didnt lasted long enough for him to win next elections. so he lost them, giving britain to churchil in worse position than if war broke in 38.

Chamberlain didn't lose the elections, he god damn died. And the conservative party was still in power until the election after ww2. Chamberlain and Winston Churchill were from the same political party.
Czert, I think you need to look into your history a little bit more before you're so adamant about it.

Minor point, and just for info, but Chamberlain stepped down after the mess in Norway after a lot of political wrangling (he did die later that year though, and some have raised questions as to whether the illness that lead to this influenced his decision not to fight harder for his position), rather than by election.
 
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Both of the statements you make here have been clearly and comprehensively refuted in previous posts in this thread which, give you started it, you should have had the decency to read. If you've decided you're going to hold onto your views regardless of the facts, then I'll leave you to it, but you're holding onto a very strong position despite having provided no compelling evidence for it, and in the face of substantial compelling evidence at against it.

previous posts? dude, you typed a 10 paragraph novel, what ya want me to do especially if I gosh forbid try to attempt to respond to other posters? My evidence is compelling enough though in the war results. The UK had to depend upon yanking other heavy lifters (US, Italy, USSR) into these wars because they simply were not getting the job done themselves. What were the typical UK war accomplishments? Capturing a colony in Africa or the Pacific? Sinking ships? Blockading ports? Clean-up work? I see a long list of secondary objectives/accomplishments from a world class power, that was considered a top 2 power of Europe alongside Germany at the outbreak of WW1.

During WW1, I don't know what constitutes "first rate army", but considering how tiny the UK's army was, how long it took them to even bring it up to a reasonable size, and how they got demolished at spots like Gallipoli while not making any push on the Western Front....it makes me question that statement. In WW2, it's pretty obvious the USSR did the heavy lifting in Europe. UK got in some parting shots after being bailed out yet again, but it's basically like being a gnat whlie the USSR was a hornet/wasp.
 
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Chamberlain resigned after the early stages of the war (Norway basically) leading to Churchill taking power (both Conservatives) what then happened was a national government formed, (partly Conservative, Labour, Liberal and National Liberal (I think there were two types of Libs at this point)

Though the point that Churchill and Chamberlain were both from the same political party being relevant isn't all that important. They may have both been Conservative Prime Ministers but both had very different outlooks on foreign policy.
 
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previous posts? dude, you typed a 10 paragraph novel, what ya want me to do especially if I gosh forbid try to attempt to respond to other posters? My evidence is compelling enough though in the war results. The UK had to depend upon yanking other heavy lifters (US, Italy, USSR) into these wars because they simply were not getting the job done themselves. What were the typical UK war accomplishments? Capturing a colony in Africa or the Pacific? Sinking ships? Blockading ports? Clean-up work? I see a long list of secondary objectives/accomplishments from a world class power, that was considered a top 2 power of Europe alongside Germany at the outbreak of WW1.

During WW1, I don't know what constitutes "first rate army", but considering how tiny the UK's army was, how long it took them to even bring it up to a reasonable size, and how they got demolished at spots like Gallipoli while not making any push on the Western Front....it makes me question that statement. In WW2, it's pretty obvious the USSR did the heavy lifting in Europe. UK got in some parting shots after being bailed out yet again, but it's basically like being a gnat whlie the USSR was a hornet/wasp.

British contributions during WW2 that were certainly not 'Gnat like'

Engima, N. Africa, lend lease to the soviets (Including a metric crap-ton of Hurricanes and tanks which meant that the Soviets didn't lose the war early on after taking the immense losses they did), winning the Battle of Britain (and thus distracting a lot of German industry, and planes) and also being a threat in being just by holding on that prevented full German focus on the soviets.

That ignores all of the minor things the British did like, the worlds largest strategic bombing campaign (in conjunction with America - though when you look at bombs dropped its about 49-51% in favour of America, D-Day (an operation only available with the British Empire on side)

If you still think during WW2 Britain was a gnat then I can do no more for you

Now as for WW1,

People said that Britian was slow to mobilise for the war, yes that is true because Britain doesn't need to mobilise for a land war. Germany was almost immediately isolated by the RN that alone is an immense contribution. The British Army helped prevent France falling to Germany, and in the later stages the RAF was the superior air force over the trenches. Britain also made the first successful carrier based operations during the war.
 
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previous posts? dude, you typed a 10 paragraph novel, what ya want me to do especially if I gosh forbid try to attempt to respond to other posters? My evidence is compelling enough though in the war results. The UK had to depend upon yanking other heavy lifters (US, Italy, USSR) into these wars because they simply were not getting the job done themselves. What were the typical UK war accomplishments? Capturing a colony in Africa or the Pacific? Sinking ships? Blockading ports? Clean-up work? I see a long list of secondary objectives/accomplishments from a world class power, that was considered a top 2 power of Europe alongside Germany at the outbreak of WW1.

During WW1, I don't know what constitutes "first rate army", but considering how tiny the UK's army was, how long it took them to even bring it up to a reasonable size, and how they got demolished at spots like Gallipoli while not making any push on the Western Front....it makes me question that statement. In WW2, it's pretty obvious the USSR did the heavy lifting in Europe. UK got in some parting shots after being bailed out yet again, but it's basically like being a gnat whlie the USSR was a hornet/wasp.

I know it was a long post, but you need to read a lot more than ten paragraphs if you want to have a decent understanding of the performance of various nations in the period! To understand this issue, you need to read books, and lots of them.

Responding to your post above:

- the UK relied on Italy as a heavy lifter? In what sense do you mean this - the Italians changed sides in 1943 (after the UK, US, Kiwis, Poles, French and I think some others - Canadians definitely at the start) had invaded and pushed up the Italian peninsula. They were never, ever heavy lifters for the Allies.

- there were more British, Commonwealth and Empire land troops than US in all theatres until well into 1944. There were more British, Commonwealth and Empire troops in some theatres at all points. This includes D-Day, Husky, the various campaigns in Burma, the campaigns in South-East Asia (there were more Australian and New Zealand troops in action in the South Pacific than American until quite late in the war, either the second half of '43 or sometime in '44 I think). You don't actually define what you mean by 'British' (ie, is it just UK, or UK and Empire, or UK and Empire and Dominions), but taken at its widest, it's arguable that the UK, Empire and Dominions made a greater contribution in the land and air war than the US. How is that being impotent (your words)?

- Sinking ships was actually quite important during the war, as was blockading ports. It may not be as sexy as driving Tiger IIs around, but naval power in WW2, like naval power in almost all significant wars from the Victorian period onwards (and many before), was very important.

- I listed a bunch more (the air war being an important one I elaborated on, I tried to avoid repeating what others' had said), but the hard fighting that made the Normandy breakout possible is a nice, land-base achievement if you're looking for one. Operation Husky and the fighting up Italy another, holding and then repulsing the Japanese in India/Burma another.

- The British did not get 'demolished' at Gallipoli. They were fought to a stalemate (not entirely unusual for the period), but Turkey took far higher casualties than the Allies in that campaign. Given the terrain, that was something of an achievement, not the other war around. While Gallipoli was a failure, Turkey's surrender was primarily due to British campaigns (noting that they were supported by the French, and the Russians contributed to putting pressure on Turkish forces prior to the revolution and their surrender).

- Since when did the British not make any pushes on the Western Front? I'd recommend looking up Somme and Passchendale. There were others, but they're two of the better known.

- There's no question that the USSR, at least in terms of manpower, did the heavy lifting on the ground in the European theatre. This is not in dispute, not should it be a surprise - Britain is not and, other than during WW1, has never been a land power. Expecting them to do all the heavy lifting in a 'boots on the ground' capacity is an unrealistic expectation. It's like expecting the Japanese Navy to completely defeat the USN, it was never going to happen, and criticising Japan for it not happening is unrealistic. A similar example would be expecting the USSR to do most of the destruction of the Kriegsmarine, and then criticising them for not doing so.

- It is the case that the British, Empire and Commonwealth together were not capable of defeating Germany alone, but neither was Germany allied with Italy capable of defeating the British, Empire and Commonwealth (even prior to the invasion of the USSR), even just in North Africa. Does this make Germany's performance in WW2 impotent as well?
 
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Well, I don't know if Britain had an underwhelming performance in both World Wars, but in the end it managed to win in both. I would better say that it was Germany the one that definitely had an underwhelming performance, being the only major power that managed to be beaten in both wars. Specially considering that it was the country that was looking for war in both cases. To be looking for a fight, thoroughly preparing for it, and managing to be defeated, not one, but two times, seems quite underwhelming.
 
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One can hardly reach such an analysis of the years 1914-1918 and 1939-1945 if any honest approach to actually relevant statistics is involved.
As a summary: Britain defeated her enemies hands-down on both World Wars. The strategy British leadership has used since the days of Napoleon has been all about industrial and economic power. It takes years to build an army from scratch, and to devise the correct tactics and operational methods for the current conflict at hand - the US forces sent to France in WW1 took heavy casualties despite the fact that they had the access to Entente trainers, war-proven equipment and the years of experience of fighting in this front. Still, it was the British Army (Canadians deserve special credit here) that developed the modern combined-arms tactics that proved so devastating against the Germans in the final days of the Great War.

WW2 is even firmer a proof of the historical strength of the British Empire.
In 1st of January 1942 the British Empire and Commonwealth waged war on the deserts of Africa, skies of Europe and jungles Asia, and in the open seas of the Atlantic, Mediterranean, the Indian Ocean and the Pacific against the combined might of all tree major Axis powers, while at the same time sending material aid to the Soviet Union as well. And at the end of the war British forces were occupying defeated Italy and Germany, her Pacific Fleet taking part in the final operations against Japan included four battleships and six fleet aircraft carriers, fifteen smaller aircraft carriers, eleven cruisers and scores of smaller ships. At this time British researches had spearheaded the development of several key technologies of the era, including radar, jet engines, nuclear research and modern electronic computers.
 
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