UK focus too axis-based (Blind on their left eye)

[AG_Wittmann]

Hello,

played as facist Germany and only played peaceful, got Austria, Czechs and Yugoslavia with my Focustree. That was done at middle of 1940 and no major war broke out. Then the big waiting began, made all neighbours but poland fascistic and got them in my faction.

The Comintern was more active, they attacked and puppeted Poland, Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq and preparing now for Turkey.

The UK are still on their anti-axis-tour, going on their "Secure Nation"-Railroad, its really fun to watch.

Checked their Focustree and if i wanted to attack Poland right now, their Engima-Focus would still fire, but Poland is actual in the ComIntern. So i had direct a two front war with two big mayors (Allies and ComIntern).

Would be more fun, if Paradox would watch for a more balanced view on the political situation on the world aside the historic timeline.

I mean, Soviet increased the Tension by 25% and then declared war on Poland, nothing happens, but when Germany attack Poland, UK goes into idiotmode.

Oh right, and there is a rest of Yugoslavia, did the "Create Croatia and Serbia" with the help of "Fate of Yugoslavia", but only Croatia spawned, the rest of the now fascist Yugoslawia only changed the name and impose as Serbia now. So the UK-Focus for Yugoslavia can still fire.

 

[amalric de g.]

Thats how the game works, if you really want to be peaceful and not be the bad guy, you as germany has to not generate a tiny bit of threat. Even the Rhineland NF is forbidden. The USA choose the NF War with germany, if you change to democratic and join the Allies and get dragged into a war, with as a example Italy over Greece. Thats allways a good laugh, if the USA declares war and the Allies help you.

Sometimes the Allies went to war with the SOV, but most of the time they chase germany. The threat generated by the SOV didn´t count so much, as the generated threat from the Axis.

PS: you didn´t played peaceful, you generated threat with your actions.

 

[kettyo]

Thats how the game works, if you really want to be peaceful and not be the bad guy, you as germany has to not generate a tiny bit of threat. Even the Rhineland NF is forbidden. The USA choose the NF War with germany, if you change to democratic and join the Allies and get dragged into a war, with as a example Italy over Greece. Thats allways a good laugh, if the USA declares war and the Allies help you.

Sometimes the Allies went to war with the SOV, but most of the time they chase germany. The threat generated by the SOV didn´t count so much, as the generated threat from the Axis.

PS: you didn´t played peaceful, you generated threat with your actions.

The Rhineland threat fades away relatively fast as most focus threats do. I think faded threats are technically no threats.

 

[amalric de g.]

The Rhineland threat fades away relatively fast as most focus threats do. I think faded threats are technically no threats.

Thats not true, threat didn´t fade away, the percentage shrinks each month, but it never goes back to Zero. Especially if you play a Axis country, your generated threat counts more than a Commie or Democratic countries threat. The tooltips didn´t show it, but thats how it works.

Two examples:
I played Axis germany and was very carefull, two Divs to Spain, Rhineland, Anschluss, befriended the Czechs, didn´t took poland. I left Italy and Japan on her own. In 1940 the SOV had enough and went on her conquering spree, Poland, the Baltic states, Bessarabia, they overrun Finnland etc..
My threat was under 10%, they had 40% threat, guess who got the war declaration from the Allies.

Try it out yourself. I played a democratic germany, joined the Allies, no Rhineland, no Anschluss, nothing. Italy declared war on Greece, UK had guaranted Greece, i joined the war with UK, France and the Rest, e voila the USA took the NF and declared war on me.

 

[AG_Wittmann]

Thats how the game works, if you really want to be peaceful and not be the bad guy, you as germany has to not generate a tiny bit of threat. Even the Rhineland NF is forbidden. The USA choose the NF War with germany, if you change to democratic and join the Allies and get dragged into a war, with as a example Italy over Greece. Thats allways a good laugh, if the USA declares war and the Allies help you.

Sometimes the Allies went to war with the SOV, but most of the time they chase germany. The threat generated by the SOV didn´t count so much, as the generated threat from the Axis.

PS: you didn´t played peaceful, you generated threat with your actions.

Ehehe, for me its peaceful, because, i didnt use my military for conflict management. I generated only 19,5% threat, the SOV created 28,5% with Poland, Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan and some Baltic States, the last only as Wargoal.
Japan did now the "Fuck the USA" and attacking them now, but i think, they will lose soon, because, United China ate all their manpower. Thei japanese mainfront wasnt stabile for a long time, they nearly lose Manschukuo and Manschurei, but with 40.000 Inf.-Equipment, 5.000 Supply and 7.500 Howitzers sent by Germany, they chewed China into Peace at 1944.

National Spain was fun to watch, SOV transfered only one division to Rep. Spain and still Nat. Spain steamrolled them like Germany could steamroll Poland and they got no division from Germany or Italy, only this one SOV-Division. Spanish Civilwar was over in begin of 1937, started in july 1936.

Btw. SOV used nearly 10 months for beating Poland with their 230 Divisions.

Oh, and Italy is awesome, they have now over 720 Divisions, but i think, most of them are only Brigades.

And my game is now really slow, because, SOV, UK, USA and myself got all over 15.000 planes per Nation on duty. Think, SOV got the most with 22.000 Planes.

 

[kettyo]

Italy declared war on Greece, UK had guaranted Greece, i joined the war with UK, France and the Rest, e voila the USA took the NF and declared war on me.

It's pretty awesome that Roosevelt hated Germany so much that he rather aligned against the fellow capitalists to be able to fight Germany

Regarding the threat issue which game version you play? Maybe something changed for 1.3.3 regarding threat handling? I did not play it yet. On 1.3.2 i'm sure capitalist AI guarantees are directly linked to actual threat generated. In your example story they definitely had guaranteed a Soviet victim. Once i've played Germany and did Rhineland, Anschluss, Czech annexation and Yugo annexation and the UK eventually guatanteed Finland vs the Soviets. Maybe Paradox has intentionally changed this so German player can not wait for an Allied-Soviet war before taking real action?

 

[The-False-Being26]

Well the game was designed to simulate world war 2 and the focus tree for countries like UK and US were designed for the inevitable world war.

 

[amalric de g.]

It's pretty awesome that Roosevelt hated Germany so much that he rather aligned against the fellow capitalists to be able to fight Germany

Regarding the threat issue which game version you play? Maybe something changed for 1.3.3 regarding threat handling? I did not play it yet. On 1.3.2 i'm sure capitalist AI guarantees are directly linked to actual threat generated. In your example story they definitely had guaranteed a Soviet victim. Once i've played Germany and did Rhineland, Anschluss, Czech annexation and Yugo annexation and the UK eventually guatanteed Finland vs the Soviets. Maybe Paradox has intentionally changed this so German player can not wait for an Allied-Soviet war before taking real action?

Maybe he thinks Adenauer is more evil than Hitler.

I play with 1.3.3, but my example was from a older build. PDX changed the threat handling of the AI in 1.3.3.

 

[kettyo]

Maybe he thinks Adenauer is more evil than Hitler.

Maybe he just can't stand sauerkraut

 

[Tomnoddy]

Eventually, world tension will be generated and thanks to focuses, big world wars will break out, even if Germany does nothing.

The only thing Germany can do is make sure it is in the team that wins. If Germany changes its goverment type can it join the Allies or Comintern? You could probably make pretty big gains that way - and actually keep them !

 

[amalric de g.]

Eventually, world tension will be generated and thanks to focuses, big world wars will break out, even if Germany does nothing.

The only thing Germany can do is make sure it is in the team that wins. If Germany changes its goverment type can it join the Allies or Comintern? You could probably make pretty big gains that way - and actually keep them !

Every country in this game, can change their government. When you play a faction leader, you have to abandon the faction, if you want to join another. But why whould you want to serve as the junior partner, in the Allies or Comintern?

You as germany, can easily defeat them all.

In SP campaigns as a major country, you can´t loose, the only exception is you make one mistake after another, or you don´t want to win.

 

[Tomnoddy]

Every country in this game, can change their government. When you play a faction leader, you have to abandon the faction, if you want to join another.
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I tested this, playing a Democratic Germany. Took over most of Europe without firing a shot. Austria , Czechs, Yugoslavia. Signed the M-R pact but did not demand Danzig. Soviets eventually attack them and I get Western Poland for free. Cheers Joe. Can't join Allies though. WT not high enough. No-one will attack me or any country I guarantee, even after disbanding most of the army. Italy makes a faction with Bulgaria, attacks Greece, then while still at war with Greece, attacks UK, which turned out not to be a great plan. Eventually every nation runs out of national focuses to run and WT stalled at 48%, the end of history. Boring....

But why whould you want to serve as the junior partner, in the Allies or Comintern?

You as germany, can easily defeat them all.

In SP campaigns as a major country, you can´t loose, the only exception is you make one mistake after another, or you don´t want to win

You know, I most often play as France, historically, and thought i was pretty good being able to win those games. But as Germany I mostly fail. Sure, the bit up to 1941 is a cakewalk. Then it starts to fall apart. Your allies collapse. You get little invasions everywhere. You cannot micro every single front, and whatever front you leave under the AI does something suicidal. Garrison ports? Watch the AI shuffle divisions from Rotterdam to Amsterdam in an endless loop via the sea, till the Royal navy has sunk 24 infantry divisions. Doomstacks everywhere. It's a relentless slog. At least with France, you only have to worry about one theatre. You hardly even need to scroll the screen for a year or two, all the action happens between Namur and Den Helder.

 

[grandad1982]

The straight jacket of the national focus system strikes again.

Hopefully the majors trees will get overhauled and reworked and the situation will improve. However as long as we have the national focus system there will always be a certain amount of crap like this happening.

 

[amalric de g.]

I tested this, playing a Democratic Germany. Took over most of Europe without firing a shot. Austria , Czechs, Yugoslavia. Signed the M-R pact but did not demand Danzig. Soviets eventually attack them and I get Western Poland for free. Cheers Joe. Can't join Allies though. WT not high enough. No-one will attack me or any country I guarantee, even after disbanding most of the army. Italy makes a faction with Bulgaria, attacks Greece, then while still at war with Greece, attacks UK, which turned out not to be a great plan. Eventually every nation runs out of national focuses to run and WT stalled at 48%, the end of history. Boring....

You know, I most often play as France, historically, and thought i was pretty good being able to win those games. But as Germany I mostly fail. Sure, the bit up to 1941 is a cakewalk. Then it starts to fall apart. Your allies collapse. You get little invasions everywhere. You cannot micro every single front, and whatever front you leave under the AI does something suicidal. Garrison ports? Watch the AI shuffle divisions from Rotterdam to Amsterdam in an endless loop via the sea, till the Royal navy has sunk 24 infantry divisions. Doomstacks everywhere. It's a relentless slog. At least with France, you only have to worry about one theatre. You hardly even need to scroll the screen for a year or two, all the action happens between Namur and Den Helder.

I never said, it´s funny to play a democratic germany. But that depends only on your own expectations.

Germany is a little bit more demanding than France, thats true.
Some tipps:
- Never let the AI handle a Front, i micro every division myself, the Ai is totally inept. Even without the Battleplaner bonus i defeat every country.
- Place a Garrison-Division on every port and build sea and landforts. Northsea and Atlantic, in the Balticsea you don´t need them.
- In 1939 rush Poland, with or without MR-Pact, depends on your longterm goals.
- Attack Denmark asap after Poland and close the Balticsea.
- If you need Tungsten (medium Tanks) conquer Sweden and Norway.
- Take the NF around the maginot, push with your infantry through Netherlands, if AI France abandons the Maginot (happens sometimes) push through and encircle as much units you can. Or Blitz through Belgium and cut the coast off, don´t stop with your Tank and Mot-Divisions allways push. Air supperiority is a must!!!
-When France falls, i have build enough Garrison-Divs. for the new ports, build forts. I station 3 Armys of Infantry along the coastline. Thats enough, if you don´t loose a port. Even if you miss a Allied landing, it doesn´t matter, if they don´t take a port.
- Italy is a real pain in the butt, attacking greece without a army in Albania etc. If that happens take Yugoslavia (chromium for heavy tanks and capital ships!!) for yourself and clean up the mess, I garrison even Yugoslavia and Greece with my own troops.
- If Italy fails in NA and you have started Barbarossa let them be, doesn´t matter, for Barbarossa you need around 100 Infantry Divs. and 20 Tank and Mot-Divs. thats all, Air supperiority is a must!!!
Breakthrough in the south of the big marsh, the terrain is better, with your Tanks follow with your Mot-Divs and push, your Infantry holds the hole open, until you encircle enough Divs, your Tanks and Mot-Divs doesn´t stop allways push, your Infantry cleans the pockets. Rins and repeat it in the North, push through until you reach the Balticsea short before Leningrad. If you did it, the SOV is done you destroyed nearly their whole army. The rest is a mop up.
-After the SOV capitulated, take care of the Allies in NA, if Spain didn´t join you, take them out. Capture Gibraltar and the Suez and let the Allies rot in the desert.
- The time is ripe for sealion, attack from northern germany a scottish or northern england port. Air and sea superiority!!!
- If the USA or any other country is a major, conquer them. In one game Australia and NZ reached major status, after i defeated the USA, that was really awfull.

Gratulations you have won WW2.

 

[TallTroll]

The straight jacket of the national focus system strikes again.

Mmmm, that's a bit unfair. Historically, Fascists were seen as more of a threat than Communists, because everyone could understand why Fascism was bad, m'kay, but Communism was still the Bright Hope For The Future of Humanity. It wasn't until post-WWII that it became clear how appalling the Soviets, and Stalin in particular, really were

 

[Ynen]

Tbh, there were many admirers of fascism pre-WW2 and not at all seen as more or less threatening than the SU. People were impressed with the accomplishments the fascists were getting seemingly without much effort.