Two small improvements, Japan inspired

[Riekopo]

Played Japan and thought of two things. Japan basically did Last Stand in real life on all those Pacific islands I think. Did they ever actually allow their troops to retreat? They should get Last Stand for free or at least a significantly discounted cost.

Second, you should be able to do Last Stand on specific Divisions in an Army. Instead of the whole entire Army. This is a small QoL change needed.

 

[Swamperino]

Japan has a focus that lets them use last stand at a reduced cost at the bottom of their economy tree.

 

[Metz]

They should add morale in the game for divisions whereas divisions in home territories have a smaller morale decay when fighting invaders.

 

[Zauberelefant]

They should add morale in the game for divisions whereas divisions in home territories have a smaller morale decay when fighting invaders.

Like the effect of high war support?

 

[Metz]

Like the effect of high war support?

High war support should be for the home front. Military morale should be separate yet also influenced by the home fronts war support.

 

[Zauberelefant]

High war support should be for the home front. Military morale should be separate yet also influenced by the home fronts war support.

Well, you think that the army and Home Front are seperate things? I beg to differ.

 

[DystopianAlphaOmega]

I mean, Japan does have the State Shintoism buff, though that’s recovery rate rather than organization. Warrior spirit focus (the one that gives you kamikaze access) gives you cheaper last stands.

That said, being able to activate command abilities on specific divisions would be great. You can do it manually be swapping out commanders for the divisions you want, but it’s basically just unnecessary micro.

 

[Meglok]

Played Japan and thought of two things. Japan basically did Last Stand in real life on all those Pacific islands I think. Did they ever actually allow their troops to retreat? They should get Last Stand for free or at least a significantly discounted cost.

Japan did withdraw troops from losing situations thru about mid 1943, while they still had the capability in some areas. They pulled the survivors out of Guadalcanal when it was recognized they had lost the battle, and Japan withdrew garrisons from several isolated islands in the Solomons and New Guinea area.

But Japan pretty much lost any hope of withdrawing troops from any island by mid 43. Their losses and the massive US build up made it suicidal to send ships into Allied air cover. If there was no hope of pulling the troops out they were expected to die for the Emperor and take as many enemy with them as possible.

 

[Neal Mac]

they were expected to die for the Emperor and take as many enemy with them as possible.

Sounds like "last stand".

 

[Zauberelefant]

Sounds like "last stand".

Last stand on no rations for weeks, that is.

 

[Neal Mac]

Last stand on no rations for weeks, that is.

Bugs, rats and plantains are plentiful in the jungle.

 

[Zauberelefant]

Bugs, rats and plantains are plentiful in the jungle.

You obviously never tried to keep an infantry regiment in fighting condition in the Jungle.

 

[Neal Mac]

You obviously never tried to keep an infantry regiment in fighting condition in the Jungle.

Guilty as charged.
You have?

 

[Secret Master]

Guilty as charged.
You have?

no, but I’ve studied accounts of the logistics on some of those islands. The short version is that there are accounts of Japanese troops fighting each other for supplies as time wore on, a break down in discipline that made coordinated defense impossible, and pointless waiting in caves and tunnels to die because explosives can collapse them easier than actually sending in Marines to clear them with small arms.

it’s easy to over romanticize the defense of the Pacific islands when the navy couldn’t support the defenders anymore.

But given the historical size of those garrisons, I don’t know why you can’t last stand them all if you want. If you had 4 full strength 40 width divisions on each and every island, then yeah, you might run out of command points.

 

[sekelsenmat]

Played Japan and thought of two things. Japan basically did Last Stand in real life on all those Pacific islands I think. Did they ever actually allow their troops to retreat? They should get Last Stand for free or at least a significantly discounted cost.

Japan retreated from Guadalcanal after noticing it was pointless, so yes, sometimes they indeed retreated.

Later in the war the Pacific was no longer contested, it was an american sea, so there was no evacuation possible since the islands under attack were surrounded by american ships.

 

[Zauberelefant]

Guilty as charged.
You have?

Nope, for all else read secret master's post.
I gotta rephrase: you apparently never studied the pacific campaign.

 

[Neal Mac]

Nope, for all else read secret master's post.
I gotta rephrase: you apparently never studied the pacific campaign.

Secret master also said he sees no reason you can't last stand all of those islands? So what exactly are you arguing? Were they expected to die fighting to defend those islands or not, in all your studies of the pacific campaign?

 

[Haresus]

Secret master also said he sees no reason you can't last stand all of those islands? So what exactly are you arguing? Were they expected to die fighting to defend those islands or not, in all your studies of the pacific campaign?

They were not arguing against last stand, they were just saying that they wouldn't have any rations when doing last stand.

You then come in with the genius point that they can just eat rats.

Maybe you should try to figure out what someone is arguing before you argue with them, no?

 

[Zauberelefant]

Secret master also said he sees no reason you can't last stand all of those islands? So what exactly are you arguing? Were they expected to die fighting to defend those islands or not, in all your studies of the pacific campaign?

Well, the IJA made necessity a virtue there.

 

[noobermenschen]

They should add morale in the game for divisions whereas divisions in home territories have a smaller morale decay when fighting invaders.

You can stack an impressive recovery rate for Japanese Divisions. Not exactly what you or @Riekopo are asking for but Japanese soldiers are ready to fight again in record time after being disorganized. I gave my Japanese Field Marshals the Charismatic trait and they could almost raise the dead. I would submit this is a pretty good representation of the Imperial Japanese Army's spirit and discipline.