That kind of implies that you think mechs should always have max armor, which I don't really think you're trying to say.
Two questions about mech layout philosophise
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That kind of implies that you think mechs should always have max armor, which I don't really think you're trying to say.
Please see my previous post in this thread; there's just no situation where I'd think "nah, that's too much armour, better take some off" - but that does not imply that 'Mechs should always have max armour, they should have as much armour as they can given the load-out one wants to achieve.
What I have seen on Cohh's streams doesn't negate what I have learned playing the skirmish and PvP Beta.
You would still need at least one pilot with the Sensor Lock ability.
Cohh hasn't figured out yet, that he could deal damage at a much further range.
He has mostly used Sensor Lock to remove evasion pips and/or to identify enemy units.
In some fights he could have avoided some damage by staying at max range, sensor locking, and blasting specific targets.
That said, I wouldn't put my Sensor Lock pilot into one of my long ranged units, but rather in a mech that offers a good mix of armor and speed. Preferably a medium mech.
For the rest of my lance I would probably go for a mixed range setting.
At least one PPC sniper and one LRM gunship, both with back-up weapons for closer range, should be fine.
As I already mentioned in another thread, I want to try out max gunnery and max tactics pilots in mechs with a PPC++, that make use of the Precision Strike morale ability to do called shots at almost max range.
You would still need at least one pilot with the Sensor Lock ability.
Cohh hasn't figured out yet, that he could deal damage at a much further range.
He has mostly used Sensor Lock to remove evasion pips and/or to identify enemy units.
In some fights he could have avoided some damage by staying at max range, sensor locking, and blasting specific targets.
That said, I wouldn't put my Sensor Lock pilot into one of my long ranged units, but rather in a mech that offers a good mix of armor and speed. Preferably a medium mech.
For the rest of my lance I would probably go for a mixed range setting.
At least one PPC sniper and one LRM gunship, both with back-up weapons for closer range, should be fine.
As I already mentioned in another thread, I want to try out max gunnery and max tactics pilots in mechs with a PPC++, that make use of the Precision Strike morale ability to do called shots at almost max range.
But "the load-out one wants to achieve" is dependent on "the amount of armor protection one wants to achieve." Everything is related, requiring a cost/benefit analysis of how much damage you want outgoing versus how much protection you want for incoming damage. It's like saying you can never have too expensive a car for what you can afford (or a wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to) . It's circular logic
Okay, let me try to explain: I have never in my 30+ years playing BattleTech looked at a 'Mech and said: "This 'Mech has too much armour".
What I have thought, on numerous occasions, is "this 'Mech could use another [weapon/equipment], I might have to remove some armour to make that fit". And yes, I have stripped 'Mechs bare or almost-bare of armour in order to fit something silly like AC/20s on light 'Mechs.
But "if I remove some armour I can fit another ML" isn't the same thing as "this 'Mech has too much armour" - having too much armour just isn't a thing in my world; you strap on as much armour as can fit, and that's not too much. It might be too little, but that's the trade-off of doing heavy customisation - you can never achieve the perfect 'Mech.
You forgot about all the armor on the Thunderbolt which allows it to withstand a LOT of punishment to use all those long range weapons, keep whittling them down as they close in medium range, and still be standing when they close to brawling distance while they're swiss cheese by the time they get into your face.For the same reason the Thunderbolt is also a favourite; LRM-15 out to max range, LRM-15+LL when you get closer than that, and if you are brave enough to get into close range, there's a trio of MLs and a SRM-2 to dissuade you of your idea of glory. The ultra-close range dual MGs are just there to add insult to injury if you get into knife-fighting range - or in this game to add some crit-seeking to a 65-ton melee attack
You're like Luke Skywalker after the barrage of EVERYTHING being thrown at him and brushing your shoulder off in the last movie.
Then I guess we'd be in agreement if I said that Cohh's mechs don't have enough weapons on them.
I think you're going to find that some missions may dictate which mechs you want...at least, I hope they will. Thus, having a enough mech bays and mechs to have a robust and varied stable is important.
Keep in mind that 4--yes FOUR--well commanded Locusts can take down an Atlas.
Keep in mind that 4--yes FOUR--well commanded Locusts can take down an Atlas.
Yeah, I think Cohh needs to add some additional firepower to his Griffin. I get what he was trying to do (cool running jump sniper), but I'd rather do that with his Panther, and instead weaponized the Griffin a bit more.
Yeah, and you'd better hope that they don't get hit once, or else you're going to spend more money on repairs after that mission than you got for the mission.
I just see "Cohh needs more weapons" and "Cohh has too much armor" as equivalent statements.
Overall, I think Armor is life and I too would run with quite a bit of armor...on the front. That being said, Cohh seems to like to armor up the rear of the mech as well. I think he could afford to remove a lot of that rear arc armor (especially in a mech that he intends on staying back and jump sniping). It's ultimately his call though, and he has been doing pretty sell so far, so at least for now it is working for him as is.
I particularly like how he is visibly getting better. This is a great advertisement for prospective buyers, in that there is not a steep learning curve and you do not have to be a pro from day 1.