Two major naval fixes are needed (maybe three)

[goodcigar]

Dear Devs, first thank you for fixing major naval bug #3 which was the AI not training its ships which caused them to get slaughtered easily in combat.

There are still (I think) two other major naval bugs though. You could maybe say three.

One, the AI fleets like the Soviets for example get stuck in port. Because they are trying to merge with other fleets through straits. This basically cripples the Soviet fleet as far as I can tell.

Two, the Montreux Convention event which is supposed to control ship access to the Black Sea doesn't work and I literally don't think it ever has. If playing on historical mode, the only ships that should be in the Black Sea are Soviet plus the other Black Sea nations' ships. I don't think the Germans should even be able to get Convoy ships in there although I'm not a WW2 historian.

Three, the way naval spotting works for Task Forces doesn't make sense. Because of the way the math is done (it's averaged across the Task Force) one ship with high spotting is literally better at spotting than 10 ships with low-medium spotting. Which obviously makes no logical/real world sense. I'm really surprised this hasn't been fixed yet.

Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Anaraxes]

Sounds like good material for the bug report forum.

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Also, check to see if there are existing posts that match any of the three and upvote those. (Rather than create additional threads, concentrate the support in one thread so it's more obvious that an issue is popular.) If you're not familiar with the forum, see the sticky post "Guidelines on how to write a Bug Report" to see the information Paradox most needs.

 

[goodcigar]

Sounds like good material for the bug report forum.

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Been reported many times in the past I think.

 

[Fulmen]

If playing on historical mode, the only ships that should be in the Black Sea are Soviet plus the other Black Sea nations' ships. I don't think the Germans should even be able to get Convoy ships in there although I'm not a WW2 historian.

The Germans had U-Boats in the Black Sea, operating from Romania. The issue here is in-game you can't deploy ships into the ports of your allies, even if there's a land connecting to your capital through friendly territory.

 

[goodcigar]

The Germans had U-Boats in the Black Sea, operating from Romania. The issue here is in-game you can't deploy ships into the ports of your allies, even if there's a land connecting to your capital through friendly territory.

As far as I know that was a limited thing with a small number (6) of submarines. They could add an Event to simulate the transport of those subs to the Black Sea.

 

[Arheo]

One, the AI fleets like the Soviets for example get stuck in port. Because they are trying to merge with other fleets through straits. This basically cripples the Soviet fleet as far as I can tell.

Two, the Montreux Convention event which is supposed to control ship access to the Black Sea doesn't work and I literally don't think it ever has. If playing on historical mode, the only ships that should be in the Black Sea are Soviet plus the other Black Sea nations' ships. I don't think the Germans should even be able to get Convoy ships in there although I'm not a WW2 historian.

Provided it doesn't get flagged during testing, these are already fixed and will be included in a post-release patch.

 

[goodcigar]

Provided it doesn't get flagged during testing, these are already fixed and will be included in a post-release patch.

Some other big naval buggies apparently. Also that @bitmode list on the Wiki lol...holy jeebus. That's why HOI4 needs a Custodian Team like Stellaris.

@SeekTruthFromFx

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[general_de_golle]

Provided it doesn't get flagged during testing, these are already fixed and will be included in a post-release patch.

@Arheo issue with Montreux Convention wasn`t fixed for the 1.11.1 patch. Soviets are still stuck in the Black Sea, even if they try to protest and Turkey compromises

 

[Arheo]

We haven't provided any post-release patches yet - please have some patience

 

[goodcigar]

We haven't provided any post-release patches yet - please have some patience

gib patch

Edit: Also if you are fixing the Montreux Convention you should create an Event that allows Germany to transport 6 of their submarines to the Black Sea over land/canals which is what they did in real life.

30th U-boat Flotilla - Wikipedia

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Submarine warfare in the Black Sea campaigns (1944) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Joshua Happytree]

Provided it doesn't get flagged during testing, these are already fixed and will be included in a post-release patch.

Will it just fix Montreux - change the straits regime after the conference - or it will make naval pathfinding generally aware of the concept of the straights regime and force it to look for another route should the shortest route is not usable due to straights regime? To make it short - will USSR be able to send ships to Atlantic through Danish Belts is Kiel Kanal is owned by Germany and not available to USSR? The same applies to non-Baltic states to the south of Kiel Canal sending ships to Baltic. They were routed though impassable Kiel Canal as well.

 

[Mr_Dimento]

I am very pleased that the entire Montreux event chain is working for the open beta.