Two Duplicate Kingdoms of Lithuania

[Quaidheizer]

What exactly is the deal here? I've found myself as both King of Lithuania and King of Lithuania. I created a new kingdom as an intrigue decision which was all good. I then had the option to create the de jure Kingdom of Lithuania title, which I didn't bother with since I already had one of them - no one needs two Kingdoms of Lithuania.

Now I die and my son inherits my de jure Kingdom, awesome. But my other son inherits the other Kingdom of Lithuania, created on my death, which is really just the High Chiefdom of Polotsk - a fragment of the original de jure kingdom. Now this was sorted, but there's still two duplicate Kingdoms of Lithuania.

Can the second Kingdom title be destroyed?

 

[SaphireSeas]

Can the second Kingdom title be destroyed?

Yes, It can. But you probably have gavelkind succession still, which prohibits the destruction of the title. You'll need to go feudal to destroy the title.

 

[Dragatus]

You have Elective Gavelkind succession, which will automatically create any de jure kingdoms for which you have enough land when a ruler dies. You now have the de jure kingdom and the titular custom kingdom that you created by intrigue decision (which is named after your primary duchy at the time you used the decision).

 

[Quaidheizer]

So I need to go feudal and then change from gavelkind to a law that allows title destruction. Cool.

Although, is there any way to destroy it via console commands for now?

 

[SaphireSeas]

Although, is there any way to destroy it via console commands for now?

Not really. However, granting with give_title to a baron and removing any vassals of the title before holding warring it, or any other way of making the title holder landless usually works.
If the title in question has a non-gavelkind law in the law screen, the allow_laws command will also allow you to destroy it by changing to a succession law that allows destruction.

 

[Dragatus]

I don't think you can grant the titular kingdom to a vassal. However, on succession it will go to a secondary heir and if that one gets only a single county along with the titular kingdom and that county is a de jure part of the proper kingdom of Lithuania, you can fight a de jure war for the county, which should destroy the titular kingdom.

 

[Dr Gonzo]

I don't think you can grant the titular kingdom to a vassal. However, on succession it will go to a secondary heir and if that one gets only a single county along with the titular kingdom and that county is a de jure part of the proper kingdom of Lithuania, you can fight a de jure war for the county, which should destroy the titular kingdom.

Only problem is that it's not a titular kingdom. The screenie above is of de jure map mode.

 

[Dragatus]

So it is. I could've sworn custom kingdoms were titular to begin with.

 

[Dr Gonzo]

So it is. I could've sworn custom kingdoms were titular to begin with.

Any duchy you completely control will become de jure part of the new kingdom so long as the de jure kingdom it is part of has no holder.

 

[Arsonik]

Any duchy you completely control will become de jure part of the new kingdom so long as the de jure kingdom it is part of has no holder.

One of the titles are titular. No duchy is allowed to be de-jure to more than one title, just the way the game works. If there are still parts of the original de-jure Kingdom that you didn't have upon creating the custom title then you will have to wait the 100 years for those to drift into the primary title, making it titular.

 

[DPS]

Maybe I'm missing something or my eyesight is even worse than I thought, but in that screenshot, it looks like that "second" Lithuania is the Duchy of Lithuania, not a second Kingdom of Lithuania.

 

[StarSword]

Maybe I'm missing something or my eyesight is even worse than I thought, but in that screenshot, it looks like that "second" Lithuania is the Duchy of Lithuania, not a second Kingdom of Lithuania.

Custom kingdoms take the ruler's primary duchy's color and insignia.

 

[Quaidheizer]

I don't think you can grant the titular kingdom to a vassal. However, on succession it will go to a secondary heir and if that one gets only a single county along with the titular kingdom and that county is a de jure part of the proper kingdom of Lithuania, you can fight a de jure war for the county, which should destroy the titular kingdom.

This is what I've been doing but winning the de jure war with by brother does not destroy either title, it just gives me both titles as in the screenshot.

Also, because I don't inherit both titles upon succession, the second kingdom won't stay with my primary one for 100 years and can't be absorbed into by de jure.

 

[Arsonik]

This is what I've been doing but winning the de jure war with by brother does not destroy either title, it just gives me both titles as in the screenshot.

Also, because I don't inherit both titles upon succession, the second kingdom won't stay with my primary one for 100 years and can't be absorbed into by de jure.

Yes it can. de-jure drift doesn't reset to 0 when you lose a title. It counts back to 0. If you drift it for 50 years and then die, declare war asap on it with your new character..

 

[Quaidheizer]

Ah good to know, I must've missed that.

 

[Lamahorse]

You are now the King of Lithuania^2.

 

[Thrake]

Hum... Can you give on title out? If so, conquer a far away useless piece of land (Iceland comes to mind because even the AI usually doesn't both much conquering it) and make its owner the glorious King of Lithuania. Or alternatively console your way into giving it to some random guy, like an Indian ruler...

 

[MrParadux]

K&K: King and... King?