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Hi everybody,

I just came back to playing Crusader Kings (last time I played the version was still 1.03). I must say this game is heading to very good direction indeed.

In my game I'm playing Duchy of Provence, the long campaign. The year is now about 1170. Difficulty hard/normal. So far I've got one crash to the desktop and one VFC crash. The latter happened in the end of yearly autosave.

So the bugs first:

1) About 15 years ago I developed a bad relationship with my liege (king of Germany). Soon, the king of France (who happened to be Arab Catholic, ruling a very scattered realm that was still quite powerful) asked for an alliance and I accepted. After a couple of years he (the French king) attacked some backwater county of his realm and asked me to join the battle. After pondering this for a moment I decided to go for it. Immediately, two distinct French dukes (Toulouse and some other) declared a war on me. This was not so strange but at the same moment the King of France himself declared war on *me* as well! This was the immediate effect after fullfilling his own request! Something might be a bit wrong here?!

2) After leading my crusading forces to Portugal I saw my piety wasn't very good so I decided to grant a new bishopric in Coimbra. When I selected the 'create bishopric'-option in the realm menu, there was one dead guy on the list! He was my old diocese bishop, to whom I already granted a bishopric some 20 years before, then he had died as a bishop of his own province about 5 years ago. Well, I made this zombie bishop of Coimbra and there he still is, ruling with his eternal hand, already more than 40 years after his death. I suppose he is going to be bishop of Coimbra until the game ends.


Then some other observations, not necessarily bugs:

3) The seats of some kingdoms and the pope are too easily moved to obscure places and there they'll stay. King of France lives nowaday in Tunis (although most of France is in Christian hands already). Rome was taken over by moslems some 100 years ago, afterwards a crusade was called to free it. Duke of Trondelag from Norway freed most of Italy quite soon and now for the last 50 years Rome has been in hands of the Archbishop of Sussex. The Pope has recently (about 10 years ago) moved his seat to Malta but for the preceding 90 years the Holy See was constantly situated in the desert of Sinai. Shouldn't there be some events to restore the Papacy to Rome for AI as well?

4) The papal controller thing still seems to be bugged (or why after my vassal bishop of Athens was made pope his controller was first king of Bohemia, then king of Denmark). Also, almost always when the game is reloaded the papal controller is changed, why is that?

5) Doing your own crusades against some independent sheikdoms is very economical money-wise, three times after winning some minor battles my duke was offered some 4000+ ducats (everything they had) for peace. I think those moslems should try to keep their treasures and not immediately give up all their money to Christians. For example this specific crusade gave me abou 12500 as money, although my armies on the field were less than 10000.

6) Most prestige and piety events are laughable in scope, I'm only a duke and after about 10 years of reign I have at least about 700 prestige 500 piety. Then some 'great' events come where you lost 30 prestige and gained 20 piety, or lost 40 gold and gained 20 prestige. Shouldn't these events be scaled to the level of your realm?
On the other side, the 'sellsword company' events still ask for unbelievable amount of money,for example it might be 900 ducats for some 400 men. Is there an out-of-balance issue here?

7) What is the issue with the 'marriage aid duty' -event? Shouldn't you sometimes be asked to pay money (as I undestand when you marry off your eldest daughter at least)? Always, when this event comes I either get a nice sum of money or ridiculous amount of prestige (depending on what I choose), not depending whether I'm marrying my daughter or someone else's. A bug?

8) Vassal rebellion AI is not very good. Some of my crusader states are revolting with 125 men although I'm waging wars in their border provinces with 5000+ armies. IRL this wouldn't be very likely.
 

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Hi everybody,

1) About 15 years ago I developed a bad relationship with my liege (king of Germany). Soon, the king of France (who happened to be Arab Catholic, ruling a very scattered realm that was still quite powerful) asked for an alliance and I accepted. After a couple of years he (the French king) attacked some backwater county of his realm and asked me to join the battle. After pondering this for a moment I decided to go for it. Immediately, two distinct French dukes (Toulouse and some other) declared a war on me. This was not so strange but at the same moment the King of France himself declared war on *me* as well! This was the immediate effect after fullfilling his own request! Something might be a bit wrong here?!


I've seen something similar happen to me before too. But going back in the save game file and history I've found that while confusing it was legitamate. You have to pay very careful attention to those request for war popups. In my identical case it looks at first glance that its the King of France asking for assistance cause his COA appears on the popup. On closer inspection however it's actually the backward county asking for assistance against the King of France! You accept and naturally France declares war on you in return.

The other thing to watch for is sometimes if you let the declaration sit for a bit before you deal with it, you need to make sure that it's not obsolete before accepting. Often wars get resolved diplomatically before you agree to join. In that case the whole defending vassal thing kicks in and you find yourself at war with your king..

jaolhe said:
3) The seats of some kingdoms and the pope are too easily moved to obscure places and there they'll stay. King of France lives nowaday in Tunis (although most of France is in Christian hands already). Rome was taken over by moslems some 100 years ago, afterwards a crusade was called to free it. Duke of Trondelag from Norway freed most of Italy quite soon and now for the last 50 years Rome has been in hands of the Archbishop of Sussex. The Pope has recently (about 10 years ago) moved his seat to Malta but for the preceding 90 years the Holy See was constantly situated in the desert of Sinai. Shouldn't there be some events to restore the Papacy to Rome for AI as well?

there already is an improved set of Rome events that works pretty well... as for wierd capitals?? like you said not really a bug and from a game play perspective probably not worth the effort to fix. Capitals changed all the time in medival time period. Usually to where the king wanted to set up shop.

jaolhe said:
5) Doing your own crusades against some independent sheikdoms is very economical money-wise, three times after winning some minor battles my duke was offered some 4000+ ducats (everything they had) for peace. I think those moslems should try to keep their treasures and not immediately give up all their money to Christians. For example this specific crusade gave me abou 12500 as money, although my armies on the field were less than 10000.

aint this game great....as a minor count or duke with low productivity land this is often your only option to fund major wars! I like this setup right how it is already.

jaolhe said:
8) Vassal rebellion AI is not very good. Some of my crusader states are revolting with 125 men although I'm waging wars in their border provinces with 5000+ armies. IRL this wouldn't be very likely.

it happend more often than you'd think... I don't see too much wrong with the revolt stuff. and I think there are higher priorities.
 
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The marriage duty is correct as it stands; one of the most common clauses in feudal contracts was that the vassal would help to pay for the marriage of the liege's eldest daughter, and for the knighting of his eldest son. Obviously if you say "Nah, keep your money" you will get a reputation for being a most generous and wealthy liege.
 

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jaolhe said:
2) After leading my crusading forces to Portugal I saw my piety wasn't very good so I decided to grant a new bishopric in Coimbra. When I selected the 'create bishopric'-option in the realm menu, there was one dead guy on the list! He was my old diocese bishop, to whom I already granted a bishopric some 20 years before, then he had died as a bishop of his own province about 5 years ago. Well, I made this zombie bishop of Coimbra and there he still is, ruling with his eternal hand, already more than 40 years after his death. I suppose he is going to be bishop of Coimbra until the game ends.
I had this too, except it was when granting a regular title. New bug?
 

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Sierra_Falcon said:
I've seen something similar happen to me before too. But going back in the save game file and history I've found that while confusing it was legitamate. You have to pay very careful attention to those request for war popups. In my identical case it looks at first glance that its the King of France asking for assistance cause his COA appears on the popup. On closer inspection however it's actually the backward county asking for assistance against the King of France! You accept and naturally France declares war on you in return.

Hmmm...I don't think this can explain it. Your second point below is possible but I was only allied to King of France, not this county of his. I don't understand how could a county from different realm ask for your help (Duchy from Kingdom of Germany) when his liege declares war.

Sierra_Falcon said:
The other thing to watch for is sometimes if you let the declaration sit for a bit before you deal with it, you need to make sure that it's not obsolete before accepting. Often wars get resolved diplomatically before you agree to join. In that case the whole defending vassal thing kicks in and you find yourself at war with your king..



there already is an improved set of Rome events that works pretty well... as for wierd capitals?? like you said not really a bug and from a game play perspective probably not worth the effort to fix. Capitals changed all the time in medival time period. Usually to where the king wanted to set up shop..

There is an improved set of Rome events? Do I have to download it separately somewhere? There doesn't seem to be any in my game (or they are not working for the AI)?

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aint this game great....as a minor count or duke with low productivity land this is often your only option to fund major wars! I like this setup right how it is already.



it happend more often than you'd think... I don't see too much wrong with the revolt stuff. and I think there are higher priorities.

Yeah, that's true. It is pretty minor thing.
 

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King of Men said:
The marriage duty is correct as it stands; one of the most common clauses in feudal contracts was that the vassal would help to pay for the marriage of the liege's eldest daughter, and for the knighting of his eldest son. Obviously if you say "Nah, keep your money" you will get a reputation for being a most generous and wealthy liege.

So you basically mean that you should get money both when you marry your eldest daugter to a distant lord (not to your vassal) *and* when you have found a daughter of some distant lord that you want to get into your family?
 

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One new thing I would still like to mention:

Should there be a message setting in the options that shows you a notice when a province of your demesne (or your vassal for that matter) has been besieged? I remember seeing one but it's certainly not working, I'm always surprised when I learn that while I've been battling in the Holy Land my home provinces have been completely lost to heathens.
Oh well...
 

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What was this? Some auto-generated response for making bug database?
There was a rather major error in the forum's database that required that I manually create a new thread and then merge an old thread into it in order to reset the post count and activity (and in some cases to allow additional pages to be viewed) so this is my "note to self" that it has been done for this thread. The affected threads were those that had a new post added to them during a 12-hour (roughly) window of time...yours being one.
 

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Soon, the king of France (who happened to be Arab Catholic, ruling a very scattered realm that was still quite powerful) asked for an alliance and I accepted. After a couple of years he (the French king) attacked some backwater county of his realm and asked me to join the battle. After pondering this for a moment I decided to go for it. Immediately, two distinct French dukes (Toulouse and some other) declared a war on me. This was not so strange but at the same moment the King of France himself declared war on *me* as well! This was the immediate effect after fullfilling his own request! Something might be a bit wrong here?!
Got a different explanation for that. In my game, I was allied with the king of Hungary. His relations with his vasalls weren't that good and after a while one broke of and the king asked me to fulfill my duties. So I joinend and it happend. One hungarian county dowed me, the rest of realm followed...

The origin of this unpleasent moment was an alliance between the county which broke off due to low loyality and the county which DOWed me and had a low loyality to it's liege, too...