Twitter Updates (1.4/1.5)

[Milten]

Hmm, with that we could really use overpopulation mechanics, because something tells me that there won't be enough free tiles if five or so planets will be purged.

and in fact, try to run away.

"I'm afraid I can't let you do that, Dave...
...ha, don't look at me like that, I'm kidding of course.
...I'm not afraid"

pops may object to being purged

And nobody asked Wiz about being eaten yet. These twitter people.

Quick suggestion. Add a Refugee option for "Main Species only" or "Only for SPecies with citizenship" or something like that were you can keep it to thoose species that you find welcome.
(Probably won't be needed in most games)

@Martin_Anward @StellarisGame Needs an option to only accept refugees of your own species (or of citizen species?) IMHO
@nathiria @StellarisGame Yeah, good point. Will add.

 

[Noomie]

I have a feeling there'll be events tied to overpopulation and opening borders to refugees rather than some kind of big mechanic to it.

 

[Artaios Greybark]

I like the "Refugees welcome" wording. Reference to current political issues (I am from Germany.)

 

[misterderp]

an option has been added to only accept refugees with citizen rights in your empire.

https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/821681954064125952/photo/1

 

[Artaios Greybark]

Isn't something like that very rare to occur? You would have to have lost a planet with your primary species on it that is now being purged. Interesting.

 

[General Retreat]

Isn't something like that very rare to occur? You would have to have lost a planet with your primary species on it that is now being purged. Interesting.

Not necessarily. If you have an ally you've previously had a migration treaty with, you may have picked up their pops and granted them citizen status. If that empire later runs into trouble (eaten by xenophobic FE, maybe) that gives you the ability to shelter the fleeing diaspora.

I guess it would be like the Free French fleeing to London after the Nazi occupation.

 

[misterderp]

Isn't something like that very rare to occur? You would have to have lost a planet with your primary species on it that is now being purged. Interesting.

In one of the comments under the tweet Wiz states you can grant citizenship to ANY species in the galaxy whether they life in you empire or not. (presumably dependent on ethos though) Wiz said more details will come tomorrow in the dev diary.

 

[Tim_Ward]

Isn't something like that very rare to occur? You would have to have lost a planet with your primary species on it that is now being purged. Interesting.

Apparently, you can given citizenship to species which aren't currently members of your empire. Also, what General Retreat said. Pops can spread throughout the galaxy in quite non-direct ways, (Empire A has a migration treaty with empire B who has a migration treaty with Empire C etc), so some species can end up with real diasporas, which is one of the less commented on cool things about the game.

 

[General Retreat]

some species can end up with real diasporas, which is one of the less commented on cool things about the game.

I'm hoping this is exploited for a potential espionage system. For example, if migration agreements or having local pops of your primary specie allowed for easier infiltration of agents you could then hop agents through neutral third party empires in order to gain easier access to an adversary they're on good terms with. Naturally a failed infiltration attempt that's initiated from a neutral territory would annoy both them and the target!

 

[Artaios Greybark]

Wow. I did not know that. Sounds really good.

 

[Cybrex]

So now my empire can accept refugees? This is wonderful! Really with each tweet and each sneak-peek of the coming update I love Stellaris even more. Keep up the good work Wiz & Paradox!

 

[Tim_Ward]

More of the species rights/obligations dialogue posted by Wiz, there.

I do hope giving a 'utopian' standard of living has some kind of cost/draw back. I certainly don't mind the opportunity to be teh evilz in games, but I don't really like it when "evil" just means being a dick for no reason (yes, almost all rpgs with a morality system, I'm talking to you), rather than, say, simply prioritizing some personal need or other goal over the well-being of others. If you have the ability to provide a utopian standard of living to everyone at no cost, why wouldn't you do that?

And... it does.

Pretty good way to do it, nice potential for interplay between politics and economy.

 

[gdj]

13 out of 14 core systems? Quite a lot..

 

[Tim_Ward]

Spotted that too, huh?

Given the 750 influence, 3 out of 385 fleet cap and zero tradition one has to suspect that that screenshot didn't come entirely from natural play, though.

 

[Nyrael]

Q: "So with all these classes of slaves and populations, you think it will ever be possible to start with two species?"
Wiz: "I was talking about that today with one of our QA, coincidentally! Definitely something I want at some point."

 

[Nyrael]

Looks like the Xenophiles will be getting some goodies too!

 

[Mcwynne]

Have we been told about the dynamic ship colours before? I can't remember.

 

[BlackUmbrellas]

Q: "So with all these classes of slaves and populations, you think it will ever be possible to start with two species?"
Wiz: "I was talking about that today with one of our QA, coincidentally! Definitely something I want at some point."

Eeeeeeeexcellent.

I've had an idea for an empire that keeps 1 ruler-POP on the capital of each world and then uses some sort of slave/servant subspecies for all the others for a while... and more recently, I was gonna mod in an empire that started with a "domesticated" species on their homeworld.

 

[Seryss]

There are at least some benefits to purging in the current version even if they are situational, but with the possibility of directly aiding other empires with refugees, in addition to other current collectivist/future authoritarian policies putting most other ethos against you - i'm really hoping authoritarian governments have some ways of seriously controlling other ethos, and that high standard conditions for your own species and nonexistent/slavery for those you conquer is enough of a boost to overcome and justify that play style.

Oh, and a negative modifier would be nice for the refugees exactly like stellar culture shock so the player at least has to consider the refugees option instead of an insta lock.

 

[ramius3443]

I just hope the diplo penalties for purging are dramatically reduced now. Why is the other side of the galaxy -500 concerned about me creating some living space onboard these ring worlds?