Oh I forgot Pepsi had the 6th largest navy in the world. Some good Soviet era ships at that
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Twitter teaser 06/10 - East India Company as Great Power?
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Confirmed by Wiz in the comments of today's dev diary:
Called it. Turnip factories for all!
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The word "slots" makes me think that the game analyzes the gamestate, then says, "I have arbitrarily decided that there will be nine total GPs," then assigns the nine highest-ranked powers GP status, which is not how it works at all. It's determined for each individual country based on their relation to the rest of the world. If the game deems it appropriate, it will give a country GP status, regardless of how many other GPs there currently are.
That's what I personally am disagreeing with.
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Mentions changes for usa and prussia, those could perhaps even exchange places on ranking
But i don't see any change of countries being GPs, lets hope will stay this way.
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Puppets can't "occupy a GP slot". I'm pretty sure that if the rank #8 nation is prestigious enough to be a Great Power, they'll be one, even if the rank #7 nation isn't a great power due to being a subject.
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They won't be a problem because there are no great power slots anymore so there's nothing for subject nations to "occupy". If you're talking about a subject nation qualifying for a great power, we've already seen a similar case of a country having enough relative prestige to qualify as a great power but not having that status in the latest dev diary with the Qing and being an unrecognized country. A similar restriction will almost certainly be done for subject nations.
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Thank you for your answers. I understand the confusion now, but the way I see it, the game still creates and deletes slots as required by dynamic triggers. So my question on "can subjects become GPs" was also referring to the possibility that subjects count towards those triggers, and effectively by concentrating power in one GP and their subjects will move the trigger conditions so high that very few others will be able to reach them. And from today's DD we know this is how it works, as subjects can not become GPs themselves but they contribute towards average prestige and overlord prestige, so it's possible to create a superpower in Victoria 3.
Thats true, but keep in mind that there is a soft limit on the number of subjects you can hold through Influence Capacity. We know Influence costs are variable, which IIRC includes rank. It probably is not viable to hold multiple GP-tier subjects.
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I don't know if the system will be enjoyable or not, I suppose we'll have to wait and see.
But I have no problem with a dynamic "how many GPs are there now anyway?" system. In fact that's life I guess. The number rises - and falls! - dramatically over the decades and it is bold of them to try to make a system where that is calculated dynamically. How hard can it be anyway? All it takes is to admit a certain minimun threshold - say, the top 3 powers - and see how many compare to them under some criteria. At given times there may be 10 more, at other times none others.
Think post-ww2, and certainly after the suez crisis. There were only 2 GPs, the disparity became too large to ignore. All the other contemders shrunk to such a lower level, that they were now too low to pretend they were still able to keep up with the US and SU at the top tier. Just 20 years prior to that you could count at least some 5 GPs in close diatance to each other! Such are the changing times.
I would be glad if they pulled that off. At some games you would see 20 equally powerfull competing GPs, in another two superpowers rocking the world as the rest ot the feeble world trembles. Thats good game design right there.
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Looks like this is solved after dev diary - substantial amount of prestige is tied to "tier" - principality, kingdom and so on. Ottomans must be given much more prestige because of being an empire, while Prussia must be a kingdom while it's advantage over Ottomans in terms of GDP isn't yet big enough to overcome this difference, as it is be the case with other kingdoms like France or Great Britain who have overwhelmingly larger GDP and fleets.
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Dev Diary says, subject nations can’t be GPs, and surely the EIC is one of those, but there are no longer exactly 8 GPs. So they’re the first major power I guess. Wonder if they’d be a GP but for that, and where their score is from. Army size?
Maybe being the largest
I believe the diary gives us a different answer. They mention that prestige greatly depends on tier (principality, kingdom, empire). Ottoman Empire is, well, an empire, while Prussia is kingdom. Difference must be bigger than gdp and army score differences at this point. This is a more likely reason imo.
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Wiz literally said that the list is based on how the game calculates prestige in the current build, and that that's going to change.
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Yes but he mentioned USA and EIC as going to change. I think that in particular case of Ottoman Empire and Prussia the reason is simpler to identify as we know that empires have more basic prestige so we know that Ottomans can have more prestige in that regard. Simple and more likely in this case than turnip factories
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He mentioned them "for instance". That doesn't mean the others will all retain their place, just because he didn't also use them as examples of how the GP list might change.Yes but he mentioned USA and EIC as going to change. I think that in particular case of Ottoman Empire and Prussia the reason is simpler to identify as we know that empires have more basic prestige so we know that Ottomans can have more prestige in that regard. Simple and more likely in this case than turnip factories
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