Twitter teaser 06/10 - East India Company as Great Power?

[Avian Overlord]

Another interesting thing to wonder about is from which country's perspective is this screenshot made. Dutch east indies maybe?

Wiz said on Reddit that it's the UK, it's just bugged to show relations with yourself as neutral at the moment.

 

[Al-Khalidi]

Wiz said on Reddit that it's the UK, it's just bugged to show relations with yourself as neutral at the moment.

Makes sense

 

[unmerged(760025)]

I agree, its pretty weird, hopefully they just have it because of big undeveloped gdp that will become increasingly meaningless as nations industrialize.
I suppose they are recognized (as british puppet) and china isn't and that's why we see them so high.

Makes me wonder if that the reason why there is only seven great powers at the beginning of the game instead of eight. Assuming things works the same way they did in Victoria 2, becoming a great power automatically granted full independence to a nation so if there was eight great powers, the UK would immediately lose its most important subject.

 

[Arbus]

From what I understand there is no such a thing as a "Great Power Slot" anymore. Countries with over X amount of score are GP and X depends on the global average (meaning it changes over the game). The number of GP then depends on how concentrated or spread out score is in a particular game, but it doesn't follow any sort of "slot" logic.

About what happens if a subject country is over the threshold is anyone's guess though. I wonder if that is the case with the EIC.

I know, but that still means there are slots, it's just now they're dynamic instead of fixed. Which is more problematic, since a concentration of power/prestige in one country and its puppets may kick out additional rivals.

EDIT: To the people disagreeing with this post, what are you disagreeing with? Do you think puppets will not occupy GP slots, do you think puppets automatically gain independence once they reach GP status, or do you think puppets occupying GP slots and the concentration of power in a single overlord is not a problem?

 

[wilcoxchar]

Assumed that pretty much everyone here checks those themselves

Not everyone has or checks twitter. And citing your sources is always a good habit to get into.

 

[Fallofthepurple]

I know, but that still means there are slots, it's just now they're dynamic instead of fixed. Which is more problematic, since a concentration of power/prestige in one country and its puppets may kick out additional rivals.

A subject can per definition not be a Great Power. The list will probably just ignore them and see if there is any independent country eligible for GP status.

 

[Muezzinzade]

A subject can per definition not be a Great Power. The list will probably just ignore them and see if there is any independent country eligible for GP status.

I would like it to be this way but in such case I think that perhaps they would be out of the list, just like China for example? Not sure how it worked in vic2 though...

 

[unmerged(760025)]

I would like it to be this way but in such case I think that perhaps they would be out of the list, just like China for example? Not sure how it worked in vic2 though...

In Victoria 2 if a puppet nation became one of top 8 nations, it became a great power and was automatically granted full independence from its former overlord.

 

[kviiri]

People sure are doing a lot of guesswork over numbers based on math that's very explicitly not final...

 

[Nikolai]

In Victoria 2 if a puppet nation became one of top 8 nations, it became a great power and was automatically granted full independence from its former overlord.

This is not V2 though.

 

[makapse]

Doubtful. If the East India Company were so great, why wasn't there a West India Company?

wasnt there a west india company? I thought we first had a west india company before we had a east india company. Though the west one gained independence much before the timeline of vic3

 

[Bowser]

Something that just struck me when I saw the screenshot: Have the devs said anything about why the UK is now called "Great Britain"?

In Victoria 1, the UK was called "United Kingdom", which changed to "the United Kingdom" in Vicky 2. "Great Britain" refers to the island (with England-Scotland-Wales), while "the United Kingdom" is the term which includes Ireland/North Ireland. I know that the country is sometimes just called "Great Britain" or "Britain", but it's not like "the United Kingdom" is an overly official term that is never used in everyday life. And at least to me it seems more correct.

I assume countries will change names if going communist etc, like in Vicky 2. Then "the United Kingdom" is a better name at game start imo. "Great Britain" can be saved for the situation that Ireland is lost, or the monarchy abolished or whatnot.

 

[unmerged(760025)]

This is not V2 though.

Okay ? What's your point ?
I was answering someone who said (s)he didn't knew how it worked in Victoria 2.

 

[Nikolai]

Okay ? What's your point ?
I was answering someone who said (s)he didn't knew how it worked in Victoria 2.

I read it in connection with your previous post, where you assume the same behavior in V3.

 

[cursorhiker]

It is also a bit odd that British relations with the Ottomans are so poor. Perhaps because of the Greek War of Independence?

 

[Thure]

Doubtful. If the East India Company were so great, why wasn't there a West India Company?

Dutch West India Company - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Danish West India Company - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

French West India Company - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Swedish West India Company - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[unmerged(760025)]

I read it in connection with your previous post, where you assume the same behavior in V3.

Please don't twist my words.
I merely presented a plausible hypothesis to try to explain the difference in the number of GP, I never pretended to know how the game will work.

 

[Al-Khalidi]

It is also a bit odd that British relations with the Ottomans are so poor. Perhaps because of the Greek War of Independence?

Hm, doesn't sound right, some years have passed and only in 1838 Ottomans started making very unfavourable treaties with GB. I think this isn't exactly historical but tbh as Ottomans wouldn't mind bad relations with British.

 

[Nikolai]

Please don't twist my words.
I merely presented a plausible hypothesis to try to explain the difference in the number of GP, I never pretended to know how the game will work.

I said assumed. I did not say you knew.

 

[Alfred Dreyfus]

What a joke. I can't believe this.

East India Company is the 8th world power?

USA, Ottomans and Spain should be in a similar position, and Prussia above them.