Telangana rebellion was communist led, which is why I ask for a politically motivated rebels instead of 'disorganized rabbles'. Dersim rebellion seems to be something of a 'nationalist' revolt.
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Telangana rebellion was communist led, which is why I ask for a politically motivated rebels instead of 'disorganized rabbles'. Dersim rebellion seems to be something of a 'nationalist' revolt.
Dersim was more ethnic that anything else, which would be the perfect example of disorganized rabble IMO.
However, Telangana was led by the communist party and was not as disorganized.. yes.
But the idea remains that there were not (after the spread of nationalism and so on in the long 19th Century) many uprisings that were due to taxation or religion or poverty, like in the 14th and 15th century. It fits EU quite well, but not so much HoI.
I agree, see an earlier Twitter:
The Disorganised Rabble would be rebels without any specific ideology. Cidal is right, they are hardly likely to form a military unit, so I doubt they would feature too much in the game. The EUIII rebels worked that if a rebellion actually occurred (on a percentage chance), then the engine would decide which type of rebels would then be spawned and which type of units. Below is part of the code defining them. I've removed the part of the lengthy code working out which is more likely. The Notes within the code are interesting.
Code:
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# The five rebel types used by the game engine
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# Valid arguments:
#
# area = [nation/culture/nation_culture/nation_religion/religion/all]
# government = [monarchy/republic/theocracy/anti/any]
# defection = [culture/culture_group/religion/any/none]
# independence = [culture/culture_group/religion/colonial/any/none]
#
##############################################
###################################
# "Anti Tax" rebels. The oppressed.
###################################
anti_tax_rebels = {
area = nation # Stays within the nation
government = republic # Prefers republics
defection = any # Will defect to the "best" alternative.
independence = none # Does not strive for independence
defect_delay = 120
unit_transfer = no
resilient = no # Disbands on retreat
reinforcing = no # Does not receive reinforcements
general = no # Does not use generals
smart = no # Does not assault forts, tactically withdraw from battle, etc.
unit_transfer = no # Units do not remain after enforcing demands.
artillery = 0.0
infantry = 0.9
cavalry = 0.1
}
####################################
# Nationalist rebels. Freedom!!!
####################################
nationalist_rebels = {
area = culture # Stays within provinces of their culture
government = any # No special preference
defection = culture # If the country seeks independence, defection specifies what type of provinces it wants.
independence = culture # Seeks independence for spawn province culture. Will not spawn at all if there is no suitable tag.
defect_delay = 36 # Can spontaneously declare independence after 36 months (earliest)
unit_transfer = yes # Units switch allegiance after enforcing demands.
resilient = yes
reinforcing = no
general = yes
smart = no
artillery = 0.1
infantry = 0.5
cavalry = 0.4
}
##########################################################
# Patriots, yearning for a return to their mother nation.
##########################################################
patriot_rebels = {
area = culture # Stays within cultural borders
government = any # No special preference
defection = culture # Will defect to countries of their culture, or, failing that, their culture group.
defect_delay = 36 # Held provinces will auto-defect after 36 months, regardless of accept/enforce demands.
independence = none # Does not seek independence
unit_transfer = yes
resilient = yes
reinforcing = no
general = yes
smart = no
artillery = 0.1
infantry = 0.7
cavalry = 0.2
}
####################################
# Colonial separatists.
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colonial_rebels = {
area = all # Will move freely to all provinces.
government = anti # Desires an opposing government type
defection = colonial # If the country seeks independence, defection specifies what type of provinces it wants.
independence = colonial # Will accept any nearby possible colonial tags. Will not spawn at all if there is no suitable tag.
defect_delay = 72 # Can spontaneously declare independence after 18 months (earliest)
unit_transfer = yes
resilient = yes
reinforcing = no
general = yes
smart = yes
artillery = 0.1
infantry = 0.6
cavalry = 0.3
}
##########################################################
# Colonial Patriots, yearning for freedom
##########################################################
colonial_patriot_rebels = {
area = all
government = any # No special preference
defection = colonial # Will defect to suitable nearby colonial tags
defect_delay = 72 # Held provinces will auto-defect after 18 months, regardless of accept/enforce demands.
independence = none # Does not seek independence
unit_transfer = yes
resilient = yes
reinforcing = no
general = yes
smart = no
artillery = 0.1
infantry = 0.7
cavalry = 0.2
}
##############################################
# Revolutionary rebels. Civil War factions.
##############################################
revolutionary_rebels = {
area = nation # Stays within the nation
government = republic
defection = none # Does not defect
independence = none # Does not strive for independence
unit_transfer = yes
resilient = yes
reinforcing = yes
general = yes
smart = yes
artillery = 0.1
infantry = 0.6
cavalry = 0.3
}
##############################################
# Disgruntled nobles.
##############################################
noble_rebels = {
area = nation # Stays within the nation
government = monarchy # Likes monarchy
defection = none # Does not defect
independence = none # Does not strive for independence
unit_transfer = yes
resilient = yes
reinforcing = yes
general = yes
smart = yes
artillery = 0.1
infantry = 0.4
cavalry = 0.6
}
############################################
# Religious rebels. Disgruntled fanatics.
############################################
religious_rebels = {
area = all # Moves around freely
government = theocracy # Desires Theocracy
defection = religion # Defects to countries of their religion
defect_delay = 36 # Held provinces will auto-defect after 18 months, regardless of accept/enforce demands.
independence = none # Does not strive for independence
unit_transfer = yes
resilient = yes
reinforcing = no
general = yes
smart = no
artillery = 0.0
infantry = 0.7
cavalry = 0.3
}
############
# Heretics
############
heretic_rebels = {
area = religion # Sticks to provinces of their religion
government = theocracy # Desires Theocracy
defection = any # Will defect to the "best" alternative.
defect_delay = 120
independence = none # Does not strive for independence
unit_transfer = yes
resilient = yes
reinforcing = no
general = yes
smart = yes
artillery = 0.1
infantry = 0.6
cavalry = 0.3
}
##############################################
# Throne Pretender rebels.
##############################################
pretender_rebels = {
area = nation
government = monarchy
defection = none
independence = none
unit_transfer = yes
resilient = yes # Will not disband on defeat.
reinforcing = yes # Will reinforce (double rate in rebel controlled provinces)
general = yes # Does use generals. The 'define_ruler' effect with 'rebel' argument will pick the rebel leader as new King.
smart = yes
disband_on_leader_death = yes # The Cause dies with the Pretender.
artillery = 0.1
infantry = 0.4
cavalry = 0.5
}Obviously, HOI3 will not have a religious or cultural aspect, so the main change is an ideological one. So you might have something like this:
Code:
stalinist_partisans = {
ideology = stalinist
area = all # Not bothered about national boundaries
government = anti # Desires an opposing government type
defection = communism # Will defect to communist aligned countries
independence = none # Not bothered about seeking independence
unit_transfer = yes # Units switch allegiance after enforcing demands.
resilient = yes # Will not disband on defeat.
reinforcing = yes # Will reinforce (double rate in rebel controlled provinces)
general = yes # Does use generals. The 'define_ruler' effect with 'rebel' argument will pick the rebel leader as new Head of State.
smart = yes
disband_on_leader_death = no
artillery = 0.1
militia = 0.3
infantry = 0.6
cavalry = 0.0
}
fascist_nationalists = {
ideology = fascistic
area = nation # Stays within the nation
government = autocratic # Desires an autocratic government type
defection = none # Will not defect to other countries
independence = nation # Seeks independence for a nation that has cores on the province
unit_transfer = yes # Units switch allegiance after enforcing demands.
resilient = yes # Will not disband on defeat.
reinforcing = yes # Will reinforce (double rate in rebel controlled provinces)
general = yes # Does use generals. The 'define_ruler' effect with 'rebel' argument will pick the rebel leader as new Head of State.
smart = yes
disband_on_leader_death = no
artillery = 0.1
militia = 0.6
infantry = 0.2
cavalry = 0.1
}
ok let me tell you the example of balkans. partisans became synonimous with the armed forces communist parties under the order from moscow although they got help in armaments from the allies as tito's partisans or albania's partisans or the greek partisans. nationalists were the right wing (guerilla force) as in albania the National front or monachircal movement, in serbia Drazhe mihajllovic chetniks etc(although they collaborated with the germans in the last phase. And patriots were people with no political alignment who in the last stages of the war chose their side. As for the rable it can reflect a sporadic uprising or one of the many ukrainian peasant movements against germans and soviets as well. thats my thought based on history.
The Chetniks would fit better into the Patriotic category, the Ustashi in the Nationalist. The Chetniks were more of a Monarchist movement and did not fight under a Fascist/National Socialist ideology.
well saying the truth the chetniks at the start fought against both germans and partisans alike but then in 1944 they were fully cooperative with them so they were no diferent from ustashe. however nationalistic doesnt simply mean pronazi for me, apart from ideology ( i have never been a pro nazi sypmathizer) but for game purpose many nationalistic fractions in albania monarchist, greece etc became synonimous with the allies cause, patriotic as a consequence doesn necesarily means to be positive so they could represent the ustashe which were part of a state ideology but chetniks were guerilla and they called themselves nationalistic too the same with albanian and greek factions. i took this states as example because only in yougoslavia, greece, albania and poland was a real organised resistence during 41-45. there were 50000 partisans and 15000 nationalists with 3000 colaborationists(patriots) in albania and kosovo alone on the fall of 44. Implementation of this feature could now mean after a state is defeated you can choose nationalistic side and would be a new dimension to still play as nationalists or commies or even pupet regime. So to have full guerilla control. Albania and kosova should have 14 provinces now and 2 or 3 of them were outside italian and then german control since fall of 1942. this could really be implemented and be a new dimension in the game for paradox adding more flavour and obliging the allies to drop supplies for them to foment revolt what really happened.
Since HoI treats WWII as a three-sided conflict, I think that it's save to say that, in the beginning, Yugoslav partisans were sponsored (politically) by SSSR, tchetniks by western allies and ustasha movement by the nazis. Later, western support shifted toward Tito and tchetniks become more of the disorganized rabble than anything else. So, to me thetniks starts as patriots because they were supported by the gov in exile, but later they turn into rabble. Partisans should stay partisans all the time, and ustasha movement, well, they weren't actually a guerilla, were they?