Twilight of the Gods: 1944 Reworked

[Inner Circle]

Ostheim, you ought to do a reworked scenario for all them - '36 to '45.

we make our job and you can make a reworked scenario from 36 to 44 so it fits together :rofl:





(btw: thats no offend !)

 

[unmerged(37697)]

Haha, there's no way I have nearly enough time for that, I've been off the forums for over three months as it is.

 

[Ritterkreuz]

but in vanilla HOI2, for example from 1936 to 1946, we have 6 inf models

Yes, but what years!? The bloodiest years in the history of mankind.
My suggestion is that we should remove the 1959 Model Div.(maybe the 1951 Model Div. too). The reason would be the fact that weapons and the organisation model didn't change so much like it did during WWII.

about the timeline: if we invest some time in that timeline to make some events, we would make this game interesting from the start until to the end [ but this can wait after the first version(s) of this mod is released ]

Agreed. The number and complexity of the mod will grow later on, now we should concentrate on the first version.

P.S.
Ostheim did you received my files for the China area. I'm not sure if I sent you all the files

 

[Inner Circle]

Has someone heard any news from Ostheim?

 

[Nostra]

Operation Unthinkable Documents

 

[Ritterkreuz]

"Huston, we've got a problem" :rofl:

A time ago, I and Ostheim disscused about a possible change of the starting date. The most probable date would have been 23 June 1944. The reasons for choosing this day are plenty (the end of the Imphal battle in Bruma, the start of Henyang battle in central China, the start of Cherbourg city assault, but most importantly, on the same night, the Soviets start their greatest offensive - Operation Bagration)
As you see, this date is quite perfect, BUT... in my opinion, it has a huge flaw. The problem is related to the Japanese strategic situation. After the battle of Philippine Sea, the naval power of Japan is completly shattered(2 CV, 1 CVL sunk, heavy damge to other capital ships and more important, the losses of carrier trained pilots are staggering and ireplaceable), so a with a 23 June start date, the chances of Japan to survive are close to null.
Because of this, I think that an 19 June strating date would be more appropriate.
Opinions?

 

[Ostheim]

I want to keep the default starting date until a working release is near.

 

[Ostheim]

Yes, but what years!? The bloodiest years in the history of mankind.
My suggestion is that we should remove the 1959 Model Div.(maybe the 1951 Model Div. too). The reason would be the fact that weapons and the organisation model didn't change so much like it did during WWII.

Agreed. The number and complexity of the mod will grow later on, now we should concentrate on the first version.

P.S.
Ostheim did you received my files for the China area. I'm not sure if I sent you all the files

I'll look into the tech/unit models, maybe we can do that. I will check my MSN email for files.

 

[Inner Circle]

18/36 inf = interwar or prewar
39/41 inf = WW2
43/45 inf = Advanced WW2
47/49 inf = semi-postwar
51/53 inf = postwar
55/57 inf = early Cold War
59/61 inf = mid Cold War
61/63 inf = late Coldwar

the numbers in yellow represent the inf models. This means we have a 18/39/43/47/51/55/59/61 inf model. the other ones represent techs which will improve the values of the inf models to the next ( this time non-existent ) inf model. these techs (maybe some additional techs like improved equipment or whatever) have to be researched to get a new inf model we could call them like i did in green.

it seems that some people misunderstood my idea, so i post a pic :

 

[unmerged(55468)]

"Huston, we've got a problem" :rofl:

A time ago, I and Ostheim disscused about a possible change of the starting date. The most probable date would have been 23 June 1944. The reasons for choosing this day are plenty (the end of the Imphal battle in Bruma, the start of Henyang battle in central China, the start of Cherbourg city assault, but most importantly, on the same night, the Soviets start their greatest offensive - Operation Bagration)
As you see, this date is quite perfect, BUT... in my opinion, it has a huge flaw. The problem is related to the Japanese strategic situation. After the battle of Philippine Sea, the naval power of Japan is completly shattered(2 CV, 1 CVL sunk, heavy damge to other capital ships and more important, the losses of carrier trained pilots are staggering and ireplaceable), so a with a 23 June start date, the chances of Japan to survive are close to null.
Because of this, I think that an 19 June strating date would be more appropriate.
Opinions?

sounds good

 

[Ostheim]

I like that idea Inner circle we will have to do something like it, the inter-period upgrades are cool, hopefully this will work when we try to code it.

 

[Small]

may i ask what if some one playing as germany invents the nuke is there a event for such a thing and other nashons

sorry for the bad spelling

 

[Ritterkreuz]

may i ask what if some one playing as germany invents the nuke is there a event for such a thing and other nashons

sorry for the bad spelling

The german A Bomb project was not on an advanced stage by 1944. I think that the German A bomb production should be handeld like in vanilla

 

[Inner Circle]

The german A Bomb project was not on an advanced stage by 1944. I think that the German A bomb production should be handeld like in vanilla

I agree on this. the german nuclear research depended on a facility in norway which produced deuterium, but if norway would be conquered by the allies or soviets earlier than real life...

 

[unmerged(37697)]

Should the Germans not have a low-level reactor in Norway then?

 

[Inner Circle]

Should the Germans not have a low-level reactor in Norway then?

this facility wasn´t a nuclear reactor, so there wouldn´t be any in Norway, maybe increased energy and rares production would be closer...

 

[Uffz. Steiner]

In Fact it was an Energy Plant which used to produce so called "Heavy Water".

Norsk Hydro

 

[unmerged(92036)]

How far is the developement of the mod?
Still at 27%?

 

[Inner Circle]

How far is the developement of the mod?
Still at 27%?

I don´t know since Ostheim is away from the Forum for some time again. I´ll hope we will hear something from him in the future...

 

[unmerged(103753)]

any progress?