TWBW: A New Hope

[Varyar]

Also if its possible could I forge a new CoA for them?

You can. It'll only show correctly for you though, the rest of us must each download it to use it.

When are we planning to play the 1st session? This week or will we leave it another to resolve any rule/player issues?

This saturday I think. Any unsolved issues I'm sure we can work out somehow

so far both KoM and Fas, the two pwoers closest to me have no problems with it. I personally want Pereslavyl because its the closest way to play as "Moscovy"/

Except to actually choose Muscovy, of course As for Pereyaslav, I'm not sure everyone realizes how strong it is vis-a-vis the others. Therefore I like to have opinions about it.

Have you considered Pronsk?

 

[King of Men]

All right, gentlemen. I've decided to change the GM colour, since that orange is associated in my mind with a bunch of unhappy, angry posts in the other game. Let's hope this cool cyan works out better. It seems nobody objects to me being GM pro tem, so here is today's summary post.

First, the GM election. For the primary GM, we have thus far got 5 votes for me and one vote for Varyar. For vice-GM, we have 3 votes for Blayne, 2 for Varyar, 1 for ulmont. There are still enough people who haven't voted that the vice-GM result might change, so I'll leave the election open until, say, Wednesday of next week, or everyone has voted, whichever comes first.

Next, the kings. My understanding of that rule was to ban all kingships until whatever date is decided on, including inheritances; as ulmont said, the point is to avoid vassalisation of Dukes. So far, people have voted only for the ban-all-Kings version of the rule, so I think we may cross out the ban-only-the-easy-Kings version, nobody likes it. (Besides, all kings is a lot easier to understand!) As for the date, we have 5 votes for 1200, 2 for 1150, and one for 1100. This looks to me like a pretty clear consensus on 1200, so we will adopt that date. As was suggested, if someone does accidentally inherit a King title - sometimes the inheritance laws will be unavoidable - we will just edit it out again.

Now, DVIP. We have five votes against, one in favour, one abstention. Again this is a pretty clear consensus: No DVIP.

Difficulty level. We have two votes for VH, five for Hard, one for Normal. So, good, we will play on Hard.



All right. It is now Thursday, and I think we do not have time for any more elections before Saturday. So I think that for the next couple of issues I will make a ruling to apply for this week, and if a majority want it, we can change it for next week. First, the pagan-bashing rule. Attack pagans only during Crusades. You may attack any pagan you like. If a pagan attacks you (including vassals, but not allies), they are fair game. If a Crusade ends while you are at war, you may finish that war however you like, but not start new ones.) However, to allow for special needs such as Georgia, there will be an extraordinary Crusade in effect for the first five years of the game; that is, you may DOW pagans until January 1st, 1072. This should allow for some, but not too much, expansion.

Next, Pereyaslavl. It is, it's true, very powerful. Blayne, please either select another duchy, or suggest edit nerfs to bring Pereyaslavl into line with the other players. This will have to be settled today, so I can do the edits tomorrow.

First session this Saturday! Yay!


Also, Blayne, what happened to your orders for Massilia? Forum downtime get you? Anyway, if you can get them in today that would be nice.

 

[hyme]

so far both KoM and Fas, the two pwoers closest to me have no problems with it. I personally want Pereslavyl because its the closest way to play as "Moscovy"/

i also have no problem with sid being pereslavyl, but maybe Moskva would be a better choice. By the way sid i got a Teamspeak 2 RC2 so what is the ip going to be? Kom are we going to be getting the save from the same place as before?

 

[Varyar]

First session this Saturday! Yay!

Looking forward to it

Also, I repost my previous list of duchies here for convenience.

The top 10 powerful duchies with Norway
LOLO 84.0 Lower Lorraine
PERE 66.0 Pereyaslavl
TOSC 46.0 Toscana
POIT 42.0 Poitou (Aquitaine)
MMOS 40.0 Moskva?
NORW 36.0 Norway
KIEV 35.0 Kiev
DBOH 34.0 Bohemia (the duchy)
APUL 34.0 Apulia
FLAN 30.0 Flanders

Duchies desired by players so far
PERE 66.0 Pereyaslavl - Sid Meier
NORW 36.0 Norway - King of Men
DBOH 34.0 Bohemia (the duchy) - Hyme
FLAN 30.0 Flanders - Anders (my guess based on last game, to be confirmed)
KARN 21.0 Carinthia - Varyar
GEOR 18.0 Georgia - fasquardon
BRIT 18.0 Brittany - Ulmont
SLOV 11.0 Slovenia - Lurken
C Reggio 5.0 - Mango Man
? - carillon
? - Sterkarm

 

[King of Men]

Oh yes, one more point, about vassalisation offers. Since we are all going to be Dukes, I think there won't be massive problems with the AI pledging to us, especially with the beta patch. So for now, let's make it legal to accept any vassalisation offers we get, with the caveat that this may be changed later if there are Really Weird results. I expect that the AI will mainly pledge to AI kingdoms if at all, so we can see how the beta patch works without affecting human powerbases very much.

Save will be in the same place as before, as soon as I know what edits to make. And I believe Anders will still be our host.

 

[Lurken]

I punch myself for missing the session again. A dinner to celebrate the 50th year of my scouttroop is this session and next session it is a "hajk" with scoutgroup, both of which has completely slipped my mind. I punch myself very hard.

 

[ulmont]

Since we are all going to be Dukes, I think there won't be massive problems with the AI pledging to us, especially with the beta patch.

That tracks my experience.

 

[hyme]

can we get a vote on if we want to use break_free event for when we become kingdom?
i vote yes

info on it is here http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=326287

 

[King of Men]

Hajk in the middle of winter? Won't that be a bit unpleasant? But, ok, such is life. We will welcome you back in three weeks then. Actually three weeks takes us to the 22nd; do we want to play so close to Christmas? For myself I would like to play on that date, but others may have families that take priority. Let's hear opinions, please.

 

[Varyar]

Actually three weeks takes us to the 22nd; do we want to play so close to Christmas? For myself I would like to play on that date, but others may have families that take priority. Let's hear opinions, please.

I won't be here then regardless: I'll be working 'til 18:00 GMT.

 

[ulmont]

can we get a vote on if we want to use break_free event for when we become kingdom?
i vote yes

I would prefer to table this until we have some experience with the beta patch from watching AI kingdoms. I have serious reservation about the culture-break events. Maybe your dynasties always stay the same culture, but mine really tend to flow from culture to culture over generations. The realm duress options on a new ruler are bad enough, without tossing in ("oh, you were frankish, your son's polish, your realm asplode now!") events.

So, to sum up: If I have to vote now, I vote no, but I'd prefer to wait until we reach 1200 (about 6 months away at 5 years a session).

 

[ulmont]

Actually three weeks takes us to the 22nd; do we want to play so close to Christmas?

I should be fine to play the 22nd, but defer to the rest of the group.

 

[unmerged(83245)]

I disagree with the extra pagan bashing at the start. The odds are a Crusade will pop up in the first 20 years and allow people to expand. Myself I can definately wait to absorb Sicily and eating it up within 5 years seems like taking the easy way out. As well as this Id think a maximum amount of wars v heathens would be a good idea to prevent someone spamming war offers and eating the heathens in big fat chunks.

If that event prevents Navarra taking over half of germany id definately be up for including it.

Also i can confirm I will play Reggio, or Appulia as you shall soon know me

 

[ulmont]

I disagree with the extra pagan bashing at the start. The odds are a Crusade will pop up in the first 20 years and allow people to expand. Myself I can definately wait to absorb Sicily and eating it up within 5 years seems like taking the easy way out.

I tend to agree with you - Crusades pop up fast enough, and it's certainly a lot easier to take over Sicily immediately before those scattered Sicilians form alliances with N. Africa.

EDIT: But, of course, it's Thursday now, so we should just roll with the free-fire Crusades until 1072.

 

[King of Men]

Ok, about the break-free: Three options, use, don't use, table for later. We thus far have hyme voting to use and ulmont voting to table.

I think I too will vote to table.

 

[unmerged(83245)]

Vote to table it.

 

[Lurken]

Vote Table it.

 

[Varyar]

Vote: table it.

Also i can confirm I will play Reggio, or Appulia as you shall soon know me

A clash for Italy it is then. Good luck, and may the best man win

 

[Lurken]

Oh and about the "hajk", it isn't that cold in Sweden right now, sadly enough, fudge this greenhouse effect(!), and we are going to sleep in-doors so it won't be that bad.

 

[Sid Meier]

Moscovy itself is a country afaik, and Pereslavyl gives me a nice sandbox like being China in EU2 but also has the advantage as not being as singleplayer ish, as I can within reaosn easily intermingle with Georgia and Norway, and depending where sterk is, Poland.


also im generally slower to expand then other people, being a bit stronger while it certaintly did not enter my mind at the time (I jsut like how centralied it was) will ease with my stress, norhting bugs me more then having to stress myself out trying to stay even. laid back sandbox for the win.