Turtling helps playing a tall empire

[Slynx]

Ships with no FTL

hm? how will it help you to turtle up? it'll probably hurt you more.
imagine your empire is under attack. and you're using trusty old warp drive I.
and your opponent is using something fast - like jump drives. and if you need more then 1 jump to reach the planet under attack, what can you possibly do to defend yourself?

 

[Alblaka]

So going wide can negatively affect your ability to unlock traditions, if only because it increases the likelyhood of pops joining factions that do not match the empire's ethos and are unhappy the current political establishment. A Tall empire with most of their worlds and habitats close to the capital would be able to better keep everyone in ethics and factions that agree with what the Empire is doing, keeping everyone happy, productive, and harmonious.

Yes/No/Technically.

As I said before, having a harmonious empire is what makes you effective at Unity.
Arguably, beign harmonious is far easier in a small, tall empire. But, depending on the toptions and strategies we have avaible in Utopia, it might be possible for a wide empire to be harmonious as well.

My point is, if we say 'tall/wide affect Unity efficiency, because they affect it across 2 links by determining how much ethical divergence you suffer' we can go ahead ans say stuff like 'having many ships makes unity worse, because it allows you to conquer more, thus leading to more wide, thus leading to more ethic divergence, thus leading to less unity efficience'
Or append 'having a lot of minerals' in front of that whole chain.

 

[Foefaller]

Yes/No/Technically.

As I said before, having a harmonious empire is what makes you effective at Unity.
Arguably, beign harmonious is far easier in a small, tall empire. But, depending on the toptions and strategies we have avaible in Utopia, it might be possible for a wide empire to be harmonious as well.

My point is, if we say 'tall/wide affect Unity efficiency, because they affect it across 2 links by determining how much ethical divergence you suffer' we can go ahead ans say stuff like 'having many ships makes unity worse, because it allows you to conquer more, thus leading to more wide, thus leading to more ethic divergence, thus leading to less unity efficience'
Or append 'having a lot of minerals' in front of that whole chain.

...No?

I think we've seen enough of how factions work from the dev diaries/Starfish stream to safely say that you're not going to make everyone happy unless everyone already agrees with you. And unless there exists an combination in 1.5 that is as effective at brainwashing distant pops as F.Spiritualist/Collectivist+Divine Mandate is now, wide empires are going to have to deal with a lot of pops on their colonies that don't agree with them.

And just to be clear, I'm not arguing about the number of colonies, I'm talking about the proximity of colonies to your capital system. With Utopia and space Habitats, a tall Empire could have nearly as many pops or colonies as a wide one despite taking up less real estate because their systems are packed full of people living in space. But if they want to substantially increase their mineral, food or naval production (three things habitats are terrible at) They're going to have to colonies planets that can have mines that produce more than 3 minerals, farms that can do more than 4 food, and can have an Orbital Station that can produce ships and contribute to the fleet cap.* and eventually, that's going to mean colonizing someplace outside of the close circle where everyone has no reason to question what you are doing.

*The Numbers Not Final Not Final Numbers seen during the Starfish streams. Keep in mine those would also be competing with labs that churn out 3/3/3 science and power plants that produce 10 energy.

 

[JMensch]

hm? how will it help you to turtle up? it'll probably hurt you more.
imagine your empire is under attack. and you're using trusty old warp drive I.
and your opponent is using something fast - like jump drives. and if you need more then 1 jump to reach the planet under attack, what can you possibly do to defend yourself?

More like each system has it's own "garrison" fleet.

 

[mudcrabmerchant]

Turtling is for noobs. And I say this as a lifelong turtler.

The game should not reward you for sitting on your ass in your safe space.

 

[Sinister2202]

They are already working on new mechanics for tall players, for Utopia/Banks. Things like terraforming barren planets (like Mars) and building of the orbital habitats will be in the update/DLC. You can also utilize the megastructures of immense advantage for the size of your empire.