Independent Scotland has SNP cabinet while there is alternate CPI cabinet for Ireland. That's pretty much all for now.
@ MrLevenstein: You're welcome, I'm glad I was able to help.
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Independent Scotland has SNP cabinet while there is alternate CPI cabinet for Ireland. That's pretty much all for now.
@ MrLevenstein: You're welcome, I'm glad I was able to help.
As I've mentioned before, there NEEDS to be Irish Troubles events
Prior to that there need to for sure be Provisional Sinn Fein ministers available (set to LWR or equivalent)
For LE or ST actually CPI isn't very realistic when you consider Official Sinn Fein/Workers' Party of Ireland was the much much larger ad more popular pro-Moscow Party
Events are not my field of work, but can you suggest suitable ministers and I'll check them out? The reason I went with CPI is that I don't have detailed knowledge of Irish political factions and I simply picked one that seems to be most pro-Soviet one. I think CPI members are marked as LE, so having your suggested option as LWR would make them primary choice and could even result in popular front goverment (CPI leaders like Michael O'Riordan who was veteran of Spanish civil war would still be suitable for military offices).
Understand something strange about the Irish Republican movement: it is all "left" to a greater or lesser extent, even pro-Communist but the question is one of degree.
Provisional Sinn Fein is just kind of sympathetic eg they will fly Cuban flags and idolize Che Guevara but not be "orthodoxically" communist. However they are staunch nationalists who were involved in the Republican political violence in the North and had an alliance with straight nationalist-Leninists of the Irish Republican Socialist Party/Irish National Liberation Army (who split from Official Sinn Fein/the Workers' Party due its use of violence more as a fundraiser than political protest to British possession of the North.) PSF was mostly active in the North but today is pretty popular in the South; back in the day Official Sinn Fein/Workers' Party were actively pro-Soviet and even requested KGB funding but within the Island were accepting of British occupation but used their rump paramilitaries in the North to rob banks and raise funds.
Therefore PSF is suitable in the 1980s for a LWR independent-socialist government (the IRA Green Book, the Provisional 'large' IRA being controlled by PSF, even denounced Western capitalism and what they described as Warsaw Pact state-capitalism, and called for nationalization and co-operatives). Some PIRA members were even highly motivated by Maoism.
Therefore you'd have, in the late 1980's, a breakdown similar to the following for a LWR Provisional Sinn Fein government (which either succeeds due to elections, nationalist revolution, or a Soviet decision to support nationalism over orthodox Moscow loyalties)
Head of State: Gerry Adams (PSF/PIRA)
Head of Gov: Martin McGuinness (PSF/PIRA) or Ruari O'Bradaigh (old-school arch-Republican)
Foreign Minister: Danny Morrisson (PIRA publicity director and PSF member)
Armaments Minister: Joe Cahill (PIRA armaments smuggler #1)
Security Minister: Dominic McGlinchey (former PIRA INLA and IRSP member noted for extremely competent ability at rooting out internal dissent and subversion, friend of celebrated hunger striker Francis Hughes)
Head of Intelligence: Rosena Brown (senior PSF organizer responsible for gathering of HUMINT for PIRA)
Chief of Staff: Brendan Hughes (infamous and effective PIRA Chief of Staff)
Head of the Army: Michael O'Riordan (ceremonial CPI) or Ivor Bell (PIRA Protestant!)
Head of the Navy: Can be left the same, or a civilian
Head of the Air Force: Can be left the same, or a civilian
Workers' Party (pro-Soviet) government:
Head of State: Tomas Mac Giolla (hardline pro-Soviet)
Head of Government: Sean Garland (hardline pro-Soviet) or Proinsias de Rossa (eurocommunist reformist)
Foreign Minister: can be something CPI or Proinsias de Rossa as he was PR director many times
Armaments Minister: could honestly be something Labour Party
Security Minister: Cathal Goulding
Head of Intelligence: probably Sean Garland as he wrote multiple embarassing letters to the KGB and officially-defunct OIRA
Chief of Staff: I seriously doubt that OSF by the 1980's was in any way thoroughly opposed to the establishment and would have bothered purging the military and civil service along classic M-L lines as they were a tolerated part of the political makeup of the nation and as such would leave military positions alone
Head of the Army: Michael O'Riordan (ceremonial CPI)
Head of the Navy: Can be left the same, or a civilian
Head of the Air Force: Can be left the same, or a civilian
I agree 100% on all these ministers, good job finding them all, its hard to really get good irish left ministers, but still very good.
There is not, for the simple reason that it hasn't been released yet.
It's also worth noting that PSF and IRSP had a lot of support in the North, some in Dublin, and (for PSF) a larg-ish amount scattered around the South that has positively ballooned in modern times, whereas the Workers' Party was always a Dublin-centric organization with enough support in the city and surrounding area to win 7 TD's (Irish MP's), most of whom turned out to be reformist-eurocommunists.
I would also add Liz McManus to the OSF/Workers' Party list, she was the individual I was forgetting who was super important in the movement, in her youth as a radical who pushed away from nationalism and toward Soviet/M-L alignment, in her maturity in the late 80's and early 90's as an opportunist/eurocommunist, and until 2011 the definition of "sellout" in every sense of the word. And I don't even judge very harshly, that's her own constituents' and party's opinion on her! I guess it's because of how she jumped around to constantly have a position in something and ran like a rat off the sinking ship at the first opportunity... I guess it will make for an awesome Sov-backed Irish minister lol!
Thanks for great info, only now I see how poor my choice with CPI was. And apart from head of party and secretary-general, other ministers are pretty much only some irrelevant trade unionists. Just some more clarifications, Worker's Party members should have LE traits? Or should they even be SD? Judging from your description, they seemed kinda moderate or at least very pragmatic. If LE, should be Michael O'Riordan then ST due to being member of even more strict-line CPI? And if they are SD, I'll keep him LE. Plus having them as pragmatic establishment party would allow them to keep military staff in place (so if SD, chief of Irish Defense Force from starting cabinet won't get replaced by PIRA paramilitary leader).
What role would suit her the best, maybe reserve Foreign Minister with Apologetic Clerk trait? Or if she could be suitable at least for some political role in defense, she could be armaments minister for Worker's Pary goverment that is currently missing (she could oversee political loyalty of defense force that would stay professional). Just not sure about the trait, maybe Infantry Proponent to simulate her directives into shaping army into more light-armed force, serving mostly security purposes to counter threat of opposition and radicals?
@ Hansnery: Can you please clear the leftist reserves in Irish minister file? I'm going to send new ones in coming days, so those much richer options that emerged thanks to great suggestions can be implemented and old ones won't be standing in their way.
It's funny that Ireland is the only country that has an ahistorical easter egg minister that I put as I wrongly thought it was an unlikely country to be played.
@Asalto, no problem because I didn't implement those ministers yet.
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I can put the new ministers in this release but events only in 0.2.
@Asalto, no problem because I didn't implement those ministers yet.
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I can put the new ministers in this release but events only in 0.2.
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Haha Hans I even tried playing it in MDS but I found the minister options and events very sadly lacking 
Even the Army was misrepresented IMO on one side it was too small, on the other it was too heavily armed!
This is why if anyone knows how to do events I will be happy to help them write the Northern Troubles. Also note: Northern Troubles can and SHOULD make it harder to play as the UK. Moreover
@ Asalto
Yes, the CPI was very unlikely to join anything because of how small it was. Also understand CPI was never ST even in the 1930's it was much closer to flirting with Republicanism (which even had German ties!) than it was to the USSR. Even in the '70s it would be the same. Remember though that Workers' Party and Provisional Sinn Fein both liked/like unions and fostered ties and so would be willing to appoint ministers from them especially from the old leftist IGTWU (Irish General Transport Workers' Union, founded by famous Irish communist James Connolly and Jim Larkin which took part in Easter Rising, War of Independence, and Civil War).
Thererefore I think it's more than likely old Michael O'Riordan would be LE, not ST. ST were never ever an important part of Irish political scene, even much much less so than in Britain. Sean Garland and Mac Giolla were definitely LE but by this period De Rossa and McManus for sure would be SD (and can even appear as alternate ministers for Irish SD list as that's ultimately exactly what they became in the mid 90s - and De Rossa had been a paramilitary in his youth!!) As the Workers' Party had officially LE line until 1991-92 when it split I'd say its Armaments Minister would best be one that gives some kind of production bonus to IC or reduces the need for consumer goods, something like that....
Actually, for events, you could even have a "Collapse of the Workers' Party" event which triggers 6 months after USSR falls. Then you deactivate all LE ministers unless there's a SOV invasion.
As for what you said on the military, I agree. Workers' Party would probably just keep whoever was there in place unlike a PSF government which would cause a total 100% re-shuffle of the entire political order.
So the events that I think we are going to need for Ireland span the following (because we go from 1985 to 2005)
1) Add PSF and Workers' Party to all election lists. Workers' Party should be an option as a support for Labour/Fine Gael minority, PSF as independent. Also ensure IRE has territorial claims for NI on UK. PSF= lose relations with UK, gain with Libya, gain with SFRY. Workers' Party=lose relations with US, gain with UK, gain with USSR.
2) Events will trigger in Libya every 6 months to a year similar to lend-lease events for US in vanilla.They cause you to lose money and supplies, raise belligerence, and worsen relations with UK. But when you do them, it raises Partisan activityin Northern in border Ireland.
3) 1984 12 Oct Brighton Hotel Bombing - 80% chance fail 20% chance succeed. If success, DEAD Margaret Thatcher +7 dissent, PIRA strikes at heart of UK and Partisan activity inceases! If fail -1 dissent as Margaret Thatcher slaps paramilitaries on TV
4) 1986 Split in PSF occurs, +1 dissent, sleep minister Ruari O'Bradaigh as conservative Republicans split over choice of PSF to enter Southern Irish Dail (parliament) - PSF now appears as elections option
5) 1987 has 2 key events: Loughall Ambush +5 dissent in UK and +2 in Republic after 8 PIRA volunteers are shot and Remembrance Day Bombing which -2 dissent in UK as PIRA takes flak for bombing civilians on Remembrance Day and partisan activity drops
6) 1988 Bloody March - 3 PIRA volunteers shot dead, loyalists attack PIRA funeral, PIRA kills 2 ununiformed soldiers +2 dissent, partisan activity raises
7) 1990 Proxy Bomb attacks - +2 dissent in UK partisan activity raises
8) 1991 mortar on Downing Street - 80% chance fail - if fail -2% dissent, if succeed +5 dissent, +partisan activity
9) 1992 Split in Workers' Party if USSR gone, leads to all LE ministers sleep
10) 1994 Ceasefires - 2 options: 1) The Violence Has Gone Long Enough -2 dissent IRE and UK, reduce partisan activity, or We Will Continue The Struggle! +5 dissent, partisan activity remains same
11) 1997 Assassination in Prison of Billy Wright, +1 dissent as closing action of Troubles
12) 1998 Good Friday Agreement - this plays out one of several ways:
If Peace option selected in 1994, then leads to peace process. -5 dissent, partisan activity-->0. IRE drops territorial claims on UK.
If Fighting option selected, leads to "Sectarian Violence Spirals" +10 dissent each side of border, +15% partisan violence in NI and Cork, Dublin, and border provinces. If Partisan Violence and dissent high enough, automatically triggers "Nationalist Revolution" leading to PSF LWR government.
If PSF government already in place, then click "Demand British Withdrawal" by this point in time Britain is probably in a bad position of PSF both won elections and maintains control over Northern violence, this leads to 90% chance of cession of NI. +5 dissent in UK -5 in IRE, partisan activity goes to 0%. If they refuse WAR!!! Generates large amounts of Mil/Mot Inf for IRE including stacks in NI: 1 brig strength 3-star veteran stacks in North named PIRA Belfast Brigade, 2/3 brig strength 3-star veteran PIRA Derry Brigade, and 1/3 stength 2-star veteran brig named INLA (in Derry).
Events for SOV if IRE=conquered:
"Comrade General-Secretary, the Emerald Isle is ours to command. Who shall we put at its keel?"
1) "Our loyal comrades, of course!" - Workers' Party government as puppet
2) "The progressive national-liberationists!" independent (as independent as Poland or Romania, anyways....) PSF government +25 relations with US and US suffers 3% dissent as "Moscow liberates Northern Ireland" and Boston Irish find it slightly harder to hate the 'liberators' of their country!
Even the Army was misrepresented IMO on one side it was too small, on the other it was too heavily armed!This is why if anyone knows how to do events I will be happy to help them write the Northern Troubles. Also note: Northern Troubles can and SHOULD make it harder to play as the UK. Moreover
@ Asalto
Yes, the CPI was very unlikely to join anything because of how small it was. Also understand CPI was never ST even in the 1930's it was much closer to flirting with Republicanism (which even had German ties!) than it was to the USSR. Even in the '70s it would be the same. Remember though that Workers' Party and Provisional Sinn Fein both liked/like unions and fostered ties and so would be willing to appoint ministers from them especially from the old leftist IGTWU (Irish General Transport Workers' Union, founded by famous Irish communist James Connolly and Jim Larkin which took part in Easter Rising, War of Independence, and Civil War).
Thererefore I think it's more than likely old Michael O'Riordan would be LE, not ST. ST were never ever an important part of Irish political scene, even much much less so than in Britain. Sean Garland and Mac Giolla were definitely LE but by this period De Rossa and McManus for sure would be SD (and can even appear as alternate ministers for Irish SD list as that's ultimately exactly what they became in the mid 90s - and De Rossa had been a paramilitary in his youth!!) As the Workers' Party had officially LE line until 1991-92 when it split I'd say its Armaments Minister would best be one that gives some kind of production bonus to IC or reduces the need for consumer goods, something like that....
Actually, for events, you could even have a "Collapse of the Workers' Party" event which triggers 6 months after USSR falls. Then you deactivate all LE ministers unless there's a SOV invasion.
As for what you said on the military, I agree. Workers' Party would probably just keep whoever was there in place unlike a PSF government which would cause a total 100% re-shuffle of the entire political order.
So the events that I think we are going to need for Ireland span the following (because we go from 1985 to 2005)
1) Add PSF and Workers' Party to all election lists. Workers' Party should be an option as a support for Labour/Fine Gael minority, PSF as independent. Also ensure IRE has territorial claims for NI on UK. PSF= lose relations with UK, gain with Libya, gain with SFRY. Workers' Party=lose relations with US, gain with UK, gain with USSR.
2) Events will trigger in Libya every 6 months to a year similar to lend-lease events for US in vanilla.They cause you to lose money and supplies, raise belligerence, and worsen relations with UK. But when you do them, it raises Partisan activityin Northern in border Ireland.
3) 1984 12 Oct Brighton Hotel Bombing - 80% chance fail 20% chance succeed. If success, DEAD Margaret Thatcher +7 dissent, PIRA strikes at heart of UK and Partisan activity inceases! If fail -1 dissent as Margaret Thatcher slaps paramilitaries on TV
4) 1986 Split in PSF occurs, +1 dissent, sleep minister Ruari O'Bradaigh as conservative Republicans split over choice of PSF to enter Southern Irish Dail (parliament) - PSF now appears as elections option
5) 1987 has 2 key events: Loughall Ambush +5 dissent in UK and +2 in Republic after 8 PIRA volunteers are shot and Remembrance Day Bombing which -2 dissent in UK as PIRA takes flak for bombing civilians on Remembrance Day and partisan activity drops
6) 1988 Bloody March - 3 PIRA volunteers shot dead, loyalists attack PIRA funeral, PIRA kills 2 ununiformed soldiers +2 dissent, partisan activity raises
7) 1990 Proxy Bomb attacks - +2 dissent in UK partisan activity raises
8) 1991 mortar on Downing Street - 80% chance fail - if fail -2% dissent, if succeed +5 dissent, +partisan activity
9) 1992 Split in Workers' Party if USSR gone, leads to all LE ministers sleep
10) 1994 Ceasefires - 2 options: 1) The Violence Has Gone Long Enough -2 dissent IRE and UK, reduce partisan activity, or We Will Continue The Struggle! +5 dissent, partisan activity remains same
11) 1997 Assassination in Prison of Billy Wright, +1 dissent as closing action of Troubles
12) 1998 Good Friday Agreement - this plays out one of several ways:
If Peace option selected in 1994, then leads to peace process. -5 dissent, partisan activity-->0. IRE drops territorial claims on UK.
If Fighting option selected, leads to "Sectarian Violence Spirals" +10 dissent each side of border, +15% partisan violence in NI and Cork, Dublin, and border provinces. If Partisan Violence and dissent high enough, automatically triggers "Nationalist Revolution" leading to PSF LWR government.
If PSF government already in place, then click "Demand British Withdrawal" by this point in time Britain is probably in a bad position of PSF both won elections and maintains control over Northern violence, this leads to 90% chance of cession of NI. +5 dissent in UK -5 in IRE, partisan activity goes to 0%. If they refuse WAR!!! Generates large amounts of Mil/Mot Inf for IRE including stacks in NI: 1 brig strength 3-star veteran stacks in North named PIRA Belfast Brigade, 2/3 brig strength 3-star veteran PIRA Derry Brigade, and 1/3 stength 2-star veteran brig named INLA (in Derry).
Events for SOV if IRE=conquered:
"Comrade General-Secretary, the Emerald Isle is ours to command. Who shall we put at its keel?"
1) "Our loyal comrades, of course!" - Workers' Party government as puppet
2) "The progressive national-liberationists!" independent (as independent as Poland or Romania, anyways....) PSF government +25 relations with US and US suffers 3% dissent as "Moscow liberates Northern Ireland" and Boston Irish find it slightly harder to hate the 'liberators' of their country!
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IMO The Troubles should wait for another release. WW3 and WP events are more important.
I'm just writing these in for now. Minister options were just what I was showing Asalto.
At the very least the only event that could even be relevant right now is which government for SOV to appoint.
Event chain is for future releases for sure. Could even be handled differently.
I know that 0.1 is gonna be sick and I'll do everything to help with future releases!
I'm getting withdraw from this mod and i've haven't even played it yet, I have to say Im completely hooked on it, Me and a bunch of friends want to have Darkest Hour LAN parties (if thats even possible, but I think it could work) and I've been debating which mod to use (their all new to the game) and once this mod hits, that's the one am gonna get, can't wait to play.
LAN with DH works fine. But it is not flawless, but if it works for you it works amazingly well.
LAN works fine for DH. You can get some desync if you play on fastest speed, so if things get too far off just pause and let the other players catch up. Good luck tyman! (i have been following your American collapse mod as well btw, really looking forward to where that goes)
Province pics sent to Hansnery! For now 186 pics, from all continents, covering the majority of capital cities and other important ones. All from 1985-1995.
Thanks for the info, once everyone gets set I'll make sure to remember all the advice.
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/345/169/bc7.pngGood luck tyman! (i have been following your American collapse mod as well btw, really looking forward to where that goes)