Turkish Culture Really Needs A Redo (Or: This thread again)

[Grand Historian]

Southern Slavs mostly identify with religion, so wouldn't it make sense to have Bogomilist Slavs as Bosnians?

How much of that is a modern notion, though?

I don't think Paradox wants to add a small Christian heresy into the game though, I wonder how could we represent the Bosnian Church without adding new features etc.

It's already represented with Bosnia's NIs: they have +4 Tolerance of Heretics and +25% Religious Unity as their traditions, neither of which are things to sniff at.

Guys this Thread is about the Turkish culture, not about the Bosnian.

Yes, all that said, let's try to keep to the topic.

 

[Kalderus]

Southern Slavs mostly identify with religion, so wouldn't it make sense to have Bogomilist Slavs as Bosnians?

Catholic=Croat
Orthodox=Serb
Bogomilist=Bosnian

I don't think Paradox wants to add a small Christian heresy into the game though, I wonder how could we represent the Bosnian Church without adding new features etc.

Bogomolist already is in the game, the converter files technically, but it already has features.



Bogomilist

Bogomilism is an originally Orthodox Christian heresy with Gnostic elements that completely rejects the ecclesiastical hierarchy and advocates a return to early Christianity. Bogomilists believe that the world was created by an evil demiurge - the Devil.

• −10% Stability cost modifier
• +10% Morale of armies
• Church Aspects, as with Protestant
• Halved relations penalty from non-Bogomilist Christians (they consider the Bogomils to be "misguided heretics")

All Bogomilist provinces receive:

• −1 Local unrest
• −2% Local missionary strength[2]

A heresy of Orthodoxy in CK2, a Gnostic sect that spread through the Bulgarian and Eastern Roman Empires from the 10th century.

If taken as a secondary religion, it provides the following bonuses.

• −10% Stability cost modifier
• +1 Tolerance of the True Faith

 

[Galaahd]

Agreed that Turkish culture should be split up. Every major culture has received lots of detail and has been split up except Turkish.

 

[JonSnow]

Bosnians didn't exist as a distinct group in the 15th century.

turkish and azerbaijani too they were just turkmens

 

[creativitypersonified]

turkish and azerbaijani too they were just turkmens

They were called like that sure, however the different influences had started to create some differences.

 

[JonSnow]

but not in 15th century in 20th

 

[Zerodv]

but not in 15th century in 20th

They were plenty different by then already, in any case mind that culture is NOT national identity.

 

[JonSnow]

They were plenty different by then already, in any case mind that culture is NOT national identity.

what are they please tell me more about my culture

 

[Uebeltank]

Can't argue with you on that one. There is no reason for Turkish to be one, single culture group, but for Italian to be like 9 different ones.

EDIT: What i mean is that Italian (called latin) consists of nine different individual cultures, while Turkish is a single individual culture.

 

[durbal]

Can't argue with you on that one. There is no reason for Turkish to be one, single culture group, but for Italian to be like 9 different ones.

Italian isn't a bunch of different culture groups...it's Italian.

 

[Grand Historian]

Italian isn't a bunch of different culture groups...it's Italian.

You know what he means. Italian isn't a monolith, neither is French or Spanish or German or Arabic or Persian - so why is Turkish?

 

[Kalderus]

You know what he means. Italian isn't a monolith, neither is French or Spanish or German or Arabic or Persian - so why is Turkish?

Yeah, I believe he just confused individual cultures with culture groups.

 

[DanubianCossak]

You know what he means. Italian isn't a monolith, neither is French or Spanish or German or Arabic or Persian - so why is Turkish?

Ottomans are the end game evil boss and it helps them get stronger, would be my guess.

 

[Grand Historian]

Ottomans are the end game evil boss and it helps them get stronger, would be my guess.

Eh, I think Ming have kinda usurped that role by now.

 

[Chamboozer]

It's also incredibly bizarre that the Levantine group's current setup can be justified by "historicity" or "gameplay" when Ottomans almost never take the Maghreb.

Impressive as it looked on a map, the Ottomans never cared much for the Maghreb, and were happy to let it go its own way once there was no longer any need to counter Spanish power in the Mediterranean.

 

[JonSnow]

akkoyunlu was turkish and founders of safavid empire (in game they are in levantine culture group cant form persia)
karakoyunlu was turkish state aswell defeated by akkoyunlu (but in game they are in iranian culture group although they were from same TRİBE with seljuks they cant form rûm)
this culture group matter is really ridicilous just remove azerbaijani and turkish and split them into clans

 

[Haydar]

Dear @DDRJake ,

Now that Johan is gone, can you please fix this?

 

[Grand Historian]

Dear @DDRJake ,

Now that Johan is gone, can you please fix this?

Ah, so Jake's been responsible for the jump in DLC quality.

 

[DanubianCossak]

Dear @DDRJake ,

Now that Johan is gone, can you please fix this?

Some things will never change (Venice flag, Ottoman name / color etc)

 

[Grand Historian]

Some things will never change (Venice flag, Ottoman name / color etc)

Sweden did lose their cores on Skane, so anything is possible.