There was no Bosnian culture in EU3, just for the record.
Then this is where the conversation about Balkans should stop.
History is NOT balanced.
Therefor there is no "balance" in EU4.
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Turkish Culture Really Needs A Redo (Or: This thread again)
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There was no Bosnian culture in EU3, just for the record.
Then this is where the conversation about Balkans should stop.
History is NOT balanced.
Therefor there is no "balance" in EU4.
Well, I only ever played Divine Wind 5.2, the latest official release, and they were most certainly in there.
OK, sir. I'll never bring it up, ever again.
No, they most certainly werent. Can i make a guess? You played a mod. Death & Taxes or MEIOU.
This is the only reason why i replied to you. Youre making a claim with absolute certainty and youre 100% factually incorrect. Dont believe me? Look it up.
To just prevent any more unnecessary derailment, here's the link to the EU3 wiki: http://www.eu3wiki.com/Culture#List_of_Culture_Groups_.28In_Nomine_and_Heir_to_the_Throne.29
As one can see, there is no Bosnian culture listed.
As one can see, there is no Bosnian culture listed.
can it be splitted into traditional clans like
kayı for ottomans and candar
bayat for dulkadir
yıva for qq
bayundur for aq
etc.
i know there is 24clans of oghuzs but it can be done in game by a good mechanic and some of them may migrate, change religions even change cultures by events so we can start with some turkish culture in persia too it would be good and would be more historically and adds very good flavor to game especailly for persia
clans which have same religion may even unite against a common heaten enemy in case of war
for example afshars of ottoman empire joins safevid empire during war omg im so hyped please make this happen
maybe a new tab for the countries which has a oghuz culture as primary with all interractions
and some nations like ottomans may force these clans to settle(turkish for sunni turkmen for shia) for an unrest modifier thats why exactly anatolia rebels occured
kayı for ottomans and candar
bayat for dulkadir
yıva for qq
bayundur for aq
etc.
i know there is 24clans of oghuzs but it can be done in game by a good mechanic and some of them may migrate, change religions even change cultures by events so we can start with some turkish culture in persia too it would be good and would be more historically and adds very good flavor to game especailly for persia
clans which have same religion may even unite against a common heaten enemy in case of war
for example afshars of ottoman empire joins safevid empire during war omg im so hyped please make this happen
maybe a new tab for the countries which has a oghuz culture as primary with all interractions
and some nations like ottomans may force these clans to settle(turkish for sunni turkmen for shia) for an unrest modifier thats why exactly anatolia rebels occured
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Well i hope this will be implemented because even in the def preview the Ottomans attacked South Persia to get those Arab provinces. XD
Speaking of which, should the Levantine group be further cut up? Maybe form a separate Arabic group for Arabia and make a few new cultures for Levantine.
What's your take on it, @FleetingRain?
Personally it could maybe be more split up.
For example Syrian,Egyptian and Mashriqi in one culture group and the Bedoiun Arabs in another.
The Problem is that its still weird that an Egyptian wouldnt accept a Bedoun Arab.
We had this when the Maghreb cultures got split off, I think it would be OK for a Levantine split (though there are other reasons to not do it)
I believe the possibility of a Lebanese culture has also been talked about before, too? If Arabic was made its own group I suppose there'd be more of a case for it, if only to break up Syrian somewhat.
I mean isnt the Lebanese culture basically Christian Syrians?
Of course today the Muslim population of Lebanon also accepts this identity but the reason why Lebanon is a country in the first place and not a part of Syria is for this reason.
To be fair for that we have accepted cultures, and it must be said that a game like this probably has some weirdness in it.
Personally I'd add Syrians to the Turkish culture group, and thus move Bedouin Arabs into same group with Egyptians as Arabian Peninsula has quite low development it'd most certainly look to be quite large culture group, however most development would be limited to coastal cities and Egypt.
My layman's opinion is the same as I said somewhere else: take Turkish out of Levantine, have the Ottoman missions turn Syrian/Mashriqi/Egyptian as accepted, even if it means buffing Ottoman NIs to have +3 Accepted Cultures.
Ottoman control over Yemen was heavily contested (even if not by nationalistic reasons), they didn't have control over Oman and they absolutely didn't plop in the Persian coast like that ffs. It's also incredibly bizarre that the Levantine group's current setup can be justified by "historicity" or "gameplay" when Ottomans almost never take the Maghreb.
Reading through this thread, I wonder if culture groups should be renamed cultural regions, since the range of factors is different. I think the current direction is more towards functional cultural regions, where political foundations are considered over homogeneity, instead of vernacular cultural regions, where history and cultural belonging are factors.
With the coming changes, separating the Arabian Peninsula to form a new Arabic group sounds interesting and could possibly make sense, being a separate geographical area from the Levant among other things. However, a mod testing it out would be nice since it may not work any better.
With the coming changes, separating the Arabian Peninsula to form a new Arabic group sounds interesting and could possibly make sense, being a separate geographical area from the Levant among other things. However, a mod testing it out would be nice since it may not work any better.
Bosnians didn't exist as a distinct group in the 15th century. They emerge from a Serbian population isolated from their neighbors in the lowlands (those in medieval Bosnia-Herzegovina had a tendency to be more suceptible to heresy and unorthodox Christian practices then most), and are a direct product of Ottoman conquest and long term occupation of the region. Bosnian/Bosniak is a very modern cultural identifier, and would be completely anachronistic in the EU timeline.
Slovenian is the missing South Slav culture, and Paradox seems reluctant to include it because it would be one of the smallest cultures in the game (1, maybe 2 provinces). And we all know how Albanian culture was eliminated very quickly before it was given additional provinces.
Southern Slavs mostly identify with religion, so wouldn't it make sense to have Bogomilist Slavs as Bosnians?
Catholic=Croat
Orthodox=Serb
Bogomilist=Bosnian
I don't think Paradox wants to add a small Christian heresy into the game though, I wonder how could we represent the Bosnian Church without adding new features etc.
Maybe, but like you say Paradox wouldn't want to. If they were going to do this, Bohemia would have Hussite provinces, especially as Hus was a much more important and well-documented part of pre-reformation Christianity. Not to mention, we really don't know how prolific the Bosnian Church was in the medieval Kingdom of Bosnia. Only one Bosnian king seems associated with the Church, and the rest are either Catholics or Orthodox (the last king was definitely Catholic). So if they had provinces be Bogomilist/Church of Bosnia, they would be converted away unless the Ottoman's took Bosnia fast enough.
If we get a Balkan update (add another Slovenian province in Austria, update Croatia/Bosnia/Serbia/Albania/Greece), I could see something perhaps being done but it's such a small country.
Anyways, yes, South Slavs tend to identify as religion, but I don't know how much of that is historical. The people in Bosnia would have referred to themselves as Bosnian's but that's more that a geographical/national identifier than cultural. Culturally, the people in the Kingdom of Bosnia were Serbian.