Turkey OOB Army/Fleet/Air Force Work in Progress

[Rudolf Hessbart]

Population: 17 100 000 (in 1938), 19 250 000 (in 1947)
Three years conscription

Turkey OOB 1939

Active Personell: 174.000 men
Officers: 20.000
3 armies
9 army corps

20 infantry divisions
3 mountain brigades
1 fortress brigade
5 cavalry divisions (including 2 reserve cavalry divisions) [frontier troops]

alltogether 132 regiments
(60 infantry
6 mountain troops
21 cavalry
8 reserve cavalry
20 field artillery
10 heavy artillery
7 fortress artillery)

Navy:
Yavuz Sultan Selim: 25.000 tons,186.6m/30m/9.2m; max. 25.5 kts - battlecruiser
Hamidiye: 4000 tons,108m/14.5m/4.9m; max. 22 kts - light cruiser
Peyk-i Sevket: 850 tons,80.1m/8.4m/4.6m; 18 knots; max. 22 kts;2*105mm 6*57mm 2*37mm - torpedo boat
Berk-i Satvet: 850 tons,80.1m/8.4m/4.6m; 18 knots; max. 22 kts;2*105mm 6*57mm 2*37mm - torpedo boat
Adatepe: 1400 tons,100.2m/9.37m/2.9m; max. 36 kts - destroyer
Kocatepe: 1400 tons,100.2m/9.37m/2.9m; max. 36 kts - destroyer
Tinaztepe: 1300 tons,96m/9.3m/3.28m; max. 36 kts - destroyer
Zafer: 1300 tons,96m/9.3m/3.28m; max. 36 kts - destroyer
Birindci Inonu: 640 tons,58.7m,5.75m,3.8m; max. 13.5 kts - submarine
Ikindci Inonu: 640 tons,58.7m,5.75m,3.8m; max. 13.5 kts - submarine
Dumlupinar: 1400 tons,74.1m/7.81m/4.35m; max. 17.5 kts - submarine
Sakarya: 1000 tons,61.6m/6.68m/4.3m; max. 16.9 kts - submarine
Gur: 850 tons,72.4m/6.4m/4.2m; max. 19.7 kts - submarine
İsa Reis: 413 tons,47m/7.9m/1.3m; max. 14 kts - gunboat
Durak Reis: 413 tons,47m/7.9m/1.3m; max. 14 kts - gunboat
Kemal Reis: 413 tons,47m/7.9m/1.3m; max. 14 kts - gunboat
Hizir Reis: 413 tons,47m/7.9m/1.3m; max. 14 kts - gunboat


Airforce (1940):
aircraft: 370
personnel: 8500

Turkey OOB 1941

First Army (Istanbul, Commander: Fahrettin Altay)

• Thrace Area
  • X Corps (Kırklareli)
    • 46th Infantry Division
    • K.Gr.[citation needed]
  • 2nd Cavalry Division (elements reported at Lüleburgaz in 1935)[2]
  • Independent Armored Brigade
  • 26th Infantry Brigade
  • Kırklareli Brigade
• Çatalca Area
  • XX Corps
    • 23rd Infantry Division
    • 24th Infantry Division
    • 33rd Infantry Division
    • 52nd Infantry Division
  • IV Corps (Çatalca)
    • 8th Infantry Division
    • 22nd Infantry Division
    • 28th Infantry Division
    • 64th Infantry Division
  • Çatalca Fortified Area Command
  • III Corps (Çorlu)
    • 1st Infantry Division
    • 61st Infantry Division
    • 46th Infantry Division
    • 62nd Infantry Division
• Istanbul and Bosporus Area
  • Istanbul Command
    • 11th Infantry Division
  • Bosporus Fortified Area Command

Second Army (Balıkesir, Commander: Abdurrahman Nafiz Gürman)

• Dardanelles and Marmara Area
  • II Corps (Gelibolu)
    • 4th Infantry Division
    • 69th Infantry Division
    • 32nd Infantry Division
    • 66th Infantry Division
    • 72nd Infantry Brigade
  • Demirkapı Fortified Area Command
  • I Corps (Çanakkale)
    • 16th Infantry Division
    • 57th Infantry Division
  • Dardanelles Fortified Area Command
  • V Corps (Bursa)
    • 5th Infantry Division
    • 6th Infantry Division
    • 25th Infantry Division
• Aegean and Mediterranean coasts
  • XII Corps (İzmir) (1945 Gen. Nuri Berköz took command)
    • 70th Infantry Division
    • 71st Infantry Division
    • 63rd Infantry Division
  • İzmir Fortified Area Command
  • Antalya Brigade

Third Army (Erzincan, Commander: Kâzım Orbay)

• Eastern Area
  • IX Corps (Sarıkamış)
    • 9th Infantry Division
    • 3rd Infantry Division
    • 29th Infantry Division
    • 1st Cavalry Division
  • Erzurum Fortified Area Command
  • VIII Corps (Merzifon)
    • 12th Infantry Division
    • 15th Infantry Division
  • VII Corps (Diyarbakır)
    • 2nd Infantry Division
    • 10th Infantry Division
    • 53rd Infantry Division
  • XVIII Corps (Kars)
    • 48th Infantry Division
    • 51st Infantry Division
    • 67th Infantry Division
  • Kars Fortified Area Command

Under the direct control of the General Staff (Ankara, Fevzi Çakmak)

• Kocaeli Area
  • VI Corps (Kocaeli)
    • 7th Infantry Division
    • 41st Infantry Division
    • 17th Infantry Division
• Syrian Border
  • XVII Corps (Maraş)
    • 20th Infantry Division
    • 39th Infantry Division
    • 14th Cavalry Division
    • 68th Infantry Brigade

Turkey OOB 1945

 

[Goodis]

Well delivered OP thanks! Can't wait for the Swedish =)

 

[Shayson]

Cool, and an impressive OOB for a medium power. Good to know the gist of what I'll be dealing with in my first multiplayer game, I got Turkey ! The interwar and WW2 period certainly was a unique time for Turkey, especially when Kemal Ataturk was at the helm. Thanks for looking into the OOB!

 

[Rudolf Hessbart]

New Well delivered OP thanks! Can't wait for the Swedish =)

Oh it is not yet finnished

Thanks for looking into the OOB!

Your welcome ^^ Check out the iranian too: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/iranian-oob-army-fleet-air-force-done.911337/

 

[Adige]

Aircraft (1939)
50 Vultee A-19
50+ Bristol Blenheim I's + Blenheim IV's
30 He-111F
5 He-111G
90 P.24A and P.24C
45 Morane-Soulanier MS.406 (Finish at 1940)

 

[Adige]

In 1937, an armoured brigade was formed, for that brigade, 100 Renault FT-17 and some R35 from France, and 16 Vickers light Tanks Mark 6 B were purchased. Also Turkey have already 64 Soviet T-26 and 34 Soviet BA-6/BA-3 from 1934 and these armored used together.

Some photos.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/3303...rkish+softskin+and+armoured+vehicles,+1930-45

 

[Adige]

On arms in 1941

Armor
Soviet armored car BÀ-6 - 59
French FT17-? 10?
French R35 - 99
English Vickers Light Tank VIb - 13
Soviet T-26 mod. 1934 - 56
Soviet T-27 - 5

Aircraft

Polish PZL P.24 - 66
French D.510 - 20
French MS.406 - 30
German Bf.109 - ?
English Hurricane I - 15
American Hawk II - 24
American Hawk III - 40
Swiss D.21 - 10
English Battle - 29
English Lysander - 36
English Blenheim - 40
German He.111 - 23
American Vulti V11GB - 40
American Martin 139 WT (export variant Â-10) - 20
American CW-22 Falcon - 50
French Br.19 - 40
Czechoslovak Letov S.16T - 10

Artillery

ATG
French Canon de 25mm antichar SA mle 1934 - 250
French Canon d'Infantrie de 37mm mle 1916 TRP - ???
English QF 3 pdr - ???
German 3.7cm TAK 18 - ???
Czechoslovak 47mm infantry gun Skoda - ???

81mm mortar Stocks-Brand - ? 330-350 ??

Mountain artillery
Swedish 75mm Mountain gun Bofors m.1934 - 54
Czechoslovak 7.5 cm horský kanon vz. 15 - ???
German 7.5cm GebK 14 - ???
7,7cm Mountain Cannon M1915 Krupp - ???
Czechoslovak 10 cm horská houfnice vz. 16 - ???
French Canon Court de 105 M mle 1919 - ???

Field artillery
German 7.7cm FK 16 - ???
German 7.7cm FK 96nA - ???
75mm gun M.1904 Krupp - ???
75mm gun M.1909 Krupp - ???
French 75mm gun M.1912 Schneider - ???
Soviet 76mm Cannon M1902 - 250
87mm gun M.1897 Krupp - ???
German 8 cm FK C/73 - ???
German 9 cm FK C/73/88 - ???
German 10.5cm leFH 98/09 - ???
German 10.5cm leFH 16 - ???
120mm howitzer M.1903 Krupp - ???
French Canon de 120 Ñ mle 1890 Baquet - ???
Soviet 122mm Howitzer M1909 - ???

Heavy canon
Czechoslovak 10 cm K. vz. 15 - ???
105mm gun M.1922 Vickers-Armstrong - ???
German 10cm K 04 - ???
120mm gun 1895 Krupp - ???
Austria-Hungary 12cm K88 - ???

Heavy howitzer
150mm howitzer M.1934 Skoda - ???
German 15cm sFH 13 - ???
Austria-Hungary 15cm FH14 - ???
150mm howitzer M.1902 Krupp - ???
Soviet 152mm Howitzer M1910 - ???

Super Heavy artillery
German 15cm K 39 - 2
Czechoslovak 210mm gun M.1938 Skoda - 2
Czechoslovak 240mm howitzer M.1938 Skoda - 2

AA artillery
French Mitrailleuse de 20mm Mle 1939 - 100
Swedish 40mm AA M.1936 Bofors - 8
75mm AA M.1912 Krupp - ???
French Canon CA 75mm Mle??? - ???
75 mm AA Vickers-Armstrong - ???
German 8.8cm Flak16 - ???

 

[TomosCaerllion]

Every time you post one of these it makes me want to immediately play! Particularly Turkey or Iran, which seem like really interesting starts.

 

[GhengisKhan]

The question is how is all this going to be modeled in the div template.

 

[Adige]

The question is how is all this going to be modeled in the div template.

Well I guess they just put some generic arms to minor countries. This could help them with numbers.

 

[Ariakus Fordring]

The question is how is all this going to be modeled in the div template.

Roughly.

Convert armor and planes to their respective types (light,medium etc.) then add them to game.As far as I understand;every nation's weapons has same stats at the same tier.Variants will make the difference.

 

[Paglia]

My spies tell me you found this here : http://members.tripod.com/marcin_w/index-2.html#TURKEY

The issue you'd be facing is that given HoI IC mechanism, TUR would never produce enough IC to reach its 1941 level, nor its 1943.

So for game purpose, you might have to create an hybrid OOB.

 

[GhengisKhan]

With the tanks and planes they can be placed in a one to one ratio but with things like the artillery those are pretty small numbers and would doubt they would count for anything extra in the template other that what organic artillery is included in an inf Div, or maybe a few support art brigades at best.

 

[Adige]

I am really confused, why we havent money and unit trade in HOI 4. Because it is really fit with the game and mechanics. Maybe later they put money and unit trade and it will help a lot with minor nations gameplay and historical OOB. But for now I guess minor nations get some historical unit in the begining after that they can produce some generic units and some lend-lease units from alllies.

 

[Goodis]

I am really confused, why we havent money and unit trade in HOI 4. Because it is really fit with the game and mechanics. Maybe later they put money and unit trade and it will help a lot with minor nations gameplay and historical OOB. But for now I guess minor nations get some historical unit in the begining after that they can produce some generic units and some lend-lease units from alllies.

Don't you worry, we will probably have more than 200 € worth of DLCs by next year.

 

[Adige]

Don't you worry, we will probably have more than 200 € worth of DLCs by next year.

Haha, you are most certainly right.

 

[Sir Garnet]

I am really confused, why we havent money and unit trade in HOI 4. Because it is really fit with the game and mechanics. Maybe later they put money and unit trade and it will help a lot with minor nations gameplay and historical OOB.

The HOI3 economy was a strange hodgepodge of concepts and was unneessarily complex and inherently uneven and subject to abuse (such as debt).

On the international level, goods and services trade for goods and services - the game gets around the problems of barter and bilateral trade by representing the role of money as a medium of exchange through trading consumer factory production for resources or whatever. It is clean and it works. Once complaint might be that you can't pile up a stock of consumer goods for later trade, but you can pile up stocks of military equipment and that fits a war game. Excessive hoarding is discouraged, however, since the military equipment can become obsolete.

Not clear what the "unit trade" problem is. There may be a lot of trading and granting equipment going on. Turkey looks like they put together an interesting collection of equipment from all factions.- especially the air force.

Variants should allow almost all tanks, aircraft, and ships to be represented by type as they were, so there is no need and indeed no place for a generic "Light Armor" - for example.