Just started Turkey campaign, and was kind of disappointed by having opportunity for only 4 slots. Greece and Bulgaria have 5. Not fair! 
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Turkey has only 4 research slots
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I was about to start a thread on that very subject.
You really have to wonder if this is an oversight. Turkey starts with 3 research slots and the one additional one it can get is tucked away very late in the focus tree, no matter the faction you choose to form or join. It certainly does seem to unduly gimp Turkey, certainly compared to just about any other minor save Australia and its poor two research slots(you guys need to do something about that too!).
In my opinion, Turkey should get an additional research slot along with the effects of one of these focuses depending on its chosen ideology. Going Democratic/ottoman restoration should give you an additional research slot with "Looking Outward", Non-aligned would give you one with "Abuse the Office of Soil Products", and fascist/communist with "Salt the Scars of the Great War".
This would give Turkey its fourth slot in early 1939.
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You really have to wonder if this is an oversight. Turkey starts with 3 research slots and the one additional one it can get is tucked away very late in the focus tree, no matter the faction you choose to form or join. It certainly does seem to unduly gimp Turkey, certainly compared to just about any other minor save Australia and its poor two research slots(you guys need to do something about that too!).
In my opinion, Turkey should get an additional research slot along with the effects of one of these focuses depending on its chosen ideology. Going Democratic/ottoman restoration should give you an additional research slot with "Looking Outward", Non-aligned would give you one with "Abuse the Office of Soil Products", and fascist/communist with "Salt the Scars of the Great War".
This would give Turkey its fourth slot in early 1939.
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France starts with 3.....
Generally speaking, I don't think that countries that played little during ww2 should have much better technology progress than major countries. Canada starts with 3 slots as well for example, so I fail to see how Turkey having 3 is too few. If anything slots for Greece and Bulgaria are too generous.
Generally speaking, I don't think that countries that played little during ww2 should have much better technology progress than major countries. Canada starts with 3 slots as well for example, so I fail to see how Turkey having 3 is too few. If anything slots for Greece and Bulgaria are too generous.
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I belive 4 slot is good given that the turkey back then was in nation building stage
Having said that
It could use few more ways to increse speed. Turkey did harbor many jewish academics durung that time and they help to kickstart many universities.
The littercy numbers were almost nill at 1925 an it periodicly incressed massively till 1950 to ~80%
Sorry for grammar on phone
Having said that
It could use few more ways to increse speed. Turkey did harbor many jewish academics durung that time and they help to kickstart many universities.
The littercy numbers were almost nill at 1925 an it periodicly incressed massively till 1950 to ~80%
Sorry for grammar on phone
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The issue is that this limitation doesn't make sense because countries that were actually poorer and less developed than Turkey like Portugal, Bulgaria, Greece, and Spain(borderline, but it definitely was a poorer country) can get 5 slots. If those countries can get five, this kind of logic in limiting Turkey just isn't consistent, which is also why I'm inclined to think this was more of an oversight than a deliberate design decision.
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I'm thinking it's an oversight, losing an entire slot is a massive penalty, and isn't consistent with other trees. Absolutely something that should be fixed asap.
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Germany, France, Soviets, Italy start with only 3. What are you talking about? Why Turkey and other minors should have more research slots than major powers? Are you seriously?
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Umm.. no.
What are you talking about?
Germany and Italy start with 4 slots. Soviets starting with 3 never really seemed right to me, and could well be changed in the rework. France is supposed to be gimped on purpose, that's sort of its shtick.
All of the above countries can eventually get 5, anyway, which is what the criticism is. Turkey can't get 5, ever.
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These countries are majors for ww2 im HO4, Turkey is not. Anyway, the problem is not that turkey cannot get 5 slots. The problem is that in effort to increase sales certain MINOR countries have 5 slots which they should not have in first place. Since the minor trees already caused inflation in research slots, maybe majors should get 6 total.
Also France should be gimped politically, not technologically. You are unable to research half the stuff France actually had before ww2 starts.
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It doesn't have more slots than france, and I'm beginning to think people are either lying or haven't played the game when they say this. Every country in the game starts with 2, 3, or 4 slots, but they all can get to 5 at a minimum. Turkey being capped at 4 is almost certainly a mistake.
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If the 5th research slot is economically unsuitable for Turkey then how about giving them the decision to invest a huge amount of civs i.e. 50 civs for 90 days, similar to the excavation ones ? So unless Turkey has a very strong economy or almost reaching the end game, he can't unlock the 5th slot for historical purpose.
In alternative history, if somehow Turkey becomes Major Power, he should be able to invest in 5th slot. This will put a soft limit and not restrain a successful Turkey player.
In alternative history, if somehow Turkey becomes Major Power, he should be able to invest in 5th slot. This will put a soft limit and not restrain a successful Turkey player.
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I guess it would be right if the 5th slot would be behind 50 factories like rest countries have. But it's hard to justify 3 starting slots from my point of view.
Australia, the country that actually fought in www2 in both western and pacific theaters, on land, in the air on and the sea starts with 2 slots, can get to 3 only after 20% world tension, but yes can get the mighty 5 slots if it gets independent and has 50 factories.
I kinda dislike how minor countries tech up faster, because the AI focuses on only certain techs. Always makes me cringe when I play countries like Italy, and conquer some minor like Saudi Arabia and loot hight tech weapons.
Australia, the country that actually fought in www2 in both western and pacific theaters, on land, in the air on and the sea starts with 2 slots, can get to 3 only after 20% world tension, but yes can get the mighty 5 slots if it gets independent and has 50 factories.
I kinda dislike how minor countries tech up faster, because the AI focuses on only certain techs. Always makes me cringe when I play countries like Italy, and conquer some minor like Saudi Arabia and loot hight tech weapons.
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Or just do it like in Chinese tree, to unlock additional research slots you need to first have X amount of MILs or CIVs (which you won't have for a long time).
Honestly I think 3 starting slots is absolutely right, considering what other majors have, what is not right is if even smaller countries than Turkey get more slots.
Majors IMO should always have more, both initial AND maximum than small countries.
Honestly I think 3 starting slots is absolutely right, considering what other majors have, what is not right is if even smaller countries than Turkey get more slots.
Majors IMO should always have more, both initial AND maximum than small countries.
It is most definitely an oversight. In fact, there are a couple of other problems with the Turkish focus tree.
1) For whatever reason, the fourth slot in the Ottoman Branch is tied directly to the Central Powers. While a cool touch, this makes it almost impossible to achieve
2) As far as I could see, all focuses are 70 days. This was intentional with France, to mimic the fact that they could not react to everything in WW2, and even then I hated it. With Turkey, it just seems... odd. Maybe switch some less important or less powerful focuses to 35 days?
1) For whatever reason, the fourth slot in the Ottoman Branch is tied directly to the Central Powers. While a cool touch, this makes it almost impossible to achieve
2) As far as I could see, all focuses are 70 days. This was intentional with France, to mimic the fact that they could not react to everything in WW2, and even then I hated it. With Turkey, it just seems... odd. Maybe switch some less important or less powerful focuses to 35 days?
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