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Hi there everybody!

I just have a question regarding a word oftenly used here in the forums. I don't understand what turbo-annexation stands for :confused:.
Any help is appreciated! :)

Thanks!
 

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Jirlow said:
Hi there everybody!

I just have a question regarding a word oftenly used here in the forums. I don't understand what turbo-annexation stands for :confused:.
Any help is appreciated! :)

Thanks!


I am new so might be wrong, but it is my understanding that it means that if you are at war with someone and take say 3 provinces. If the enemy capitol is toppled by rebels then you automatically get to keep those provinces and do not need to negotiate for them.

Something like that.
 

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Poggy said:
I am new so might be wrong, but it is my understanding that it means that if you are at war with someone and take say 3 provinces. If the enemy capitol is toppled by rebels then you automatically get to keep those provinces and do not need to negotiate for them.

Something like that.
If their government falls. Turboannexation also leads to great BB.
 

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If their government falls, you get all their provinces that you are occupying (except the capital)
 

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Poggy said:
I am new so might be wrong, but it is my understanding that it means that if you are at war with someone and take say 3 provinces. If the enemy capitol is toppled by rebels then you automatically get to keep those provinces and do not need to negotiate for them.

Something like that.
The majority of the provinces under their controll needs to fall. Not just the capital.
And as has been said it will get you a lot of BB.
 

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As Muscowy I frequently turbo-annex most of the Golden Horde. They are so weak and their provs are so prone to rebellion that their government falls while they are fighting with me.
 

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a nation's government will fall if there are more rebel-controlles provs than government controlled ones.

for every prov you take in a turbo-annex, you receive 2 BB points, even for colonies and TPs.
 

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Fnuco said:
a nation's government will fall if there are more rebel-controlles provs than government controlled ones.

for every prov you take in a turbo-annex, you receive 2 BB points, even for colonies and TPs.
And that applies to pagans too. I wish I'd read that in the FAQ and not learnt it the hard way :(
 

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I never do it. I just deal with the rebels as well if I find them, and make sure to occupy the cities they took. I'll get enough BB later for annexing them when they only have their capital ;)
 

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It's terrible, I didn't knew what was turboannexing when once, as one of my first wars as Byzantium, I conquered all Mamluks provinces except their capital (which was controlled by rebels), all of a sudden all their provinces became mine. Some seconds later I received a bunch of DoWs.
 

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Its useful when you wish to cross the BB threshhold into BB wars and want to get as strong as you can first. E.g. With England I was five under the BB limit and I wanted to go into BB wars so I turbo annexed France, all but the capital. Gave me a good boost in income and manpower to fight off the enemies.
 

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Paterson said:
It's terrible, I didn't knew what was turboannexing when once, as one of my first wars as Byzantium, I conquered all Mamluks provinces except their capital (which was controlled by rebels), all of a sudden all their provinces became mine. Some seconds later I received a bunch of DoWs.

:eek: Seriously ouch. But as Duke said, turbo-annexations are great for inciting BB wars, especially with what Paterson did.
 

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Duke of Wellington said:
Its useful when you wish to cross the BB threshhold into BB wars and want to get as strong as you can first. E.g. With England I was five under the BB limit and I wanted to go into BB wars so I turbo annexed France, all but the capital. Gave me a good boost in income and manpower to fight off the enemies.
More useful to start the BB wars with an large number of simultaneous diplo-annexations. That way you are guaranteed to start with 0 WE and you'll gain more land to boot if you've set it up properly. (Not applicable if playing a country with a religion that doesn't allow them to set up a proper multip-diplo-annexation scenario, obviously, but good for a standard European approach). :)
 

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Turboannexation is most useful when going for WC. In a typical war settlement you are limited in the number of provinces you can demand or the AI will offer. Large empires can be destroyed in two or three BB rounds instead of the eight or nine required for normal. It is often good strategy to take China down in one huge bite and an after meal nibble or two by turbo annexing vast swathes of territory.

Much more rarely it can be useful if you are willing to pay the BB for an offensive war anyways, i.e. a rump burgundy has rebels holding its interior provinces, has lost the Dutch marshes and you are willing to pay 3 BB for Flanders.
 
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Jomini said:
Turboannexation is most useful when going for WC. In a typical war settlement you are limited in the number of provinces you can demand or the AI will offer. Large empires can be destroyed in two or three BB rounds instead of the eight or nine required for normal. It is often good strategy to take China down in one huge bite and an after meal nibble or two by turbo annexing vast swathes of territory.
I agree with you : China becomes annexable in two wars : if you're making your WC at a time when China will soon suffer from a major rebellion event, just conquer all provinces except their capital, kill all their troops. The even will fire, making the capital rebel (and fall in the hands of the rebels soon). That way, five years later you can annex China in one go.

But I agree with Peter Ebbesen : triggering off the BBWars is better done through huge diplo-annexations. Have five big, really big vassals, with high relations with all. Have four in your alliance. Get your BB close to the limit in the couple of last years (at 3-4 points under it). DA one of your vassals. Call the fifth in your alliance. Brace yourself for impact : BBWars will start. Don't call your four allied vassals, and continue DA them each in turn : after a DA, build up your relations with the others, then DA another, then improve relations again, etc.

Jomini said:
Much more rarely it can be useful if you are willing to pay the BB for an offensive war anyways, i.e. a rump burgundy has rebels holding its interior provinces, has lost the Dutch marshes and you are willing to pay 3 BB for Flanders.
It's 2 BB per province, now. As much as a province taken in offensive war. ;)
 

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It's 2 BB per province, now. As much as a province taken in offensive war.

I know. It is 2 BB for taking Flanders and 1 for the DoW. In my experience for many states Flanders is worth an oppurtunistic offensive war; if you are will to do that then turboannexation is quite useful, particularly if you can't reach the interior.