Tungsten in HOI4

[adz106]

I'm starting to get concerned with some of the things I'm seeing regarding the use of tungsten in HOI4.

To be clear, this metal had two major uses in WWII.

1) Machine Tools (Tungsten carbide is an extremely hard metal and is used as a coating on cutting tools)
- Therefore if you lack tungsten your industrial efficiency goes down because your tools don't last nearly as long and you can't cut hard metals
2) Armor Piercing A/T rounds (Again, Tungsten carbide is extremely hard and dense which was why it was used in armour piercing rounds)

The germans had much difficulty getting enough Tungsten to support both production of high quality machine tools and tungsten AP rounds. They basically made the decision to use their tungsten in machine tools and abandoned it's use in AP rounds late in the war.

I don't see how tungsten can be needed as a resource to build a tank. Tungsten wasn't used in steel it was used in AP rounds, so it needs a hard attack modifier like in HOI3.

It may make plausible sense that any factory requires X amount of tungsten to run for a day since tungsten is required for the machine tools.

 

[Sir Garnet]

Unless there is a long shopping list of specific strategic materials, I expect Tungsten is being used as a proxy for a range of minerals more specific than the generic "rares" in HOI3, in which case having a historically recognizable contextual name adds good flavor compared with "Category B minerals," for example.

 

[Centurion1973]

Unless there is a long shopping list of specific strategic materials, I expect Tungsten is being used as a proxy for a range of minerals more specific than the generic "rares" in HOI3, in which case having a historically recognizable contextual name adds good flavor compared with "Category B minerals," for example.

I agree.

 

[ZanderD]

Unless there is a long shopping list of specific strategic materials, I expect Tungsten is being used as a proxy for a range of minerals more specific than the generic "rares" in HOI3, in which case having a historically recognizable contextual name adds good flavor compared with "Category B minerals," for example.

I can live with that.

 

[podcat]

I don't see how tungsten can be needed as a resource to build a tank. Tungsten wasn't used in steel it was used in AP rounds, so it needs a hard attack modifier like in HOI3.

Right, but since you arent building individual shells in hoi4 we wrapped the cost into tank production. after all a tank without shells cant really fight etc.

I'm sure people will make crazy mods where you need to build individual different shells though

 

[Centurion1973]

Right, but since you arent building individual shells in hoi4 we wrapped the cost into tank production. after all a tank without shells cant really fight etc.

I'm sure people will make crazy mods where you need to build individual different shells though

Separate factories for 9mm and 7.92mm bullets - LOL

 

[Shynka]

Separate factories for 9mm and 7.92mm bullets - LOL

If I recall correctly the Italian army actually suffered because they had too many different types of guns that all used different callibres, so hey, it would be pretty handy to model that. Don't

 

[Centurion1973]

If I recall correctly the Italian army actually suffered because they had too many different types of guns that all used different callibres, so hey, it would be pretty handy to model that. Don't

Germans has similar problem with spare parts for their vehicles. They used many vehicle models and generally were bad at standartization.

 

[Denkt]

Germans has similar problem with spare parts for their vehicles. They used many vehicle models and generally were bad at standartization.

Industry tech represent things such as standardization and so do factory line efficiency.
In game Germany would probably be behind Soviet and USA in industry technology and have less factories producing at top efficiency because of changing its production lines to produce more modern equipment.

 

[1alexey]

I'm sure people will make crazy mods where you need to build individual different shells though

Is it possible on the current engine?

 

[Denkt]

Looking at the wiki it seems that you have to put a certain number of your resources up for trade depending on your trade law.
The closed economy law keep all your resources from being traded.

 

[Darkath]

Is it possible on the current engine?

Yes, just like how PDM mods in victoria introduce bazillion of final goods you can produce with your factories, you will be able to mod in as many as goods in HOI4 as the engine (or your computer) can handle

I'm pretty sure we'll see mods that will features supply trucks, small arms, ammunition and so on as separate goods quite quickly.

 

[1alexey]

Yes, just like how PDM mods in victoria introduce bazillion of final goods you can produce with your factories, you will be able to mod in as many as goods in HOI4 as the engine (or your computer) can handle

I'm pretty sure we'll see mods that will features supply trucks, small arms, ammunition and so on as separate goods quite quickly.

No, my question is rather is it possible to make munitions to specifically work, as munition, not equipment.
To be consumed rather than lost, and to be more binary in a sense that you either have munitions and fight at full efficiency, or you don`t and can`t shoot back, at all, not in a sense that if you have 90% of munition stock for a week, you fight at 90% efficiency like equipment is supposed to work.

 

[sermaciej]

No, my question is rather is it possible to make munitions to specifically work, as munition, not equipment.
To be consumed rather than lost, and to be more binary in a sense that you either have munitions and fight at full efficiency, or you don`t and can`t shoot back, at all, not in a sense that if you have 90% of munition stock for a week, you fight at 90% efficiency like equipment is supposed to work.

That is actually very good question, I'd like to hear an answer.

 

[unmerged(83175)]

No, my question is rather is it possible to make munitions to specifically work, as munition, not equipment.
To be consumed rather than lost, and to be more binary in a sense that you either have munitions and fight at full efficiency, or you don`t and can`t shoot back, at all, not in a sense that if you have 90% of munition stock for a week, you fight at 90% efficiency like equipment is supposed to work.

This would be a dream.., Ie. Panzergranate 40 (tungsten) ups the ap_attack value with 4, but when there is not pzgr. 40 left, the Panzergranate 39 is used (which gives ap_attack value +1), when pzgr 39 isn't available anymore. The sprenggranate 42 is used, but lowers ap_attack with -4.

Adding tungsten as a requirement to build for certain tanks is ackward. As it's not necessarity for a tank to be build.

 

[Gamer_1745]

It would seem reasonable to have a high cost in tungsten when building factories. It would cover the cost of machine tools and if Germany or Japan does not have access it would limit there ability to expand production after the war starts.

 

[Darkath]

No, my question is rather is it possible to make munitions to specifically work, as munition, not equipment.
To be consumed rather than lost, and to be more binary in a sense that you either have munitions and fight at full efficiency, or you don`t and can`t shoot back, at all, not in a sense that if you have 90% of munition stock for a week, you fight at 90% efficiency like equipment is supposed to work.

Well if you have 90% of required ammunition you can still shoot, can't you ?

The way i'd mod it is to have ammunition that is a piece of equipment that breaks quasi-instantly and as such you'd need to maintain constant supply of it or else your unit is pretty much doomed.

 

[Bluestreak2k5]

No, my question is rather is it possible to make munitions to specifically work, as munition, not equipment.
To be consumed rather than lost, and to be more binary in a sense that you either have munitions and fight at full efficiency, or you don`t and can`t shoot back, at all, not in a sense that if you have 90% of munition stock for a week, you fight at 90% efficiency like equipment is supposed to work.

Why should they fight at reduced efficency? They should fight at 100% for a week, and then just collapse if they haven't received any supplies during that time.

 

[Gen. Skobelev]

Why should they fight at reduced efficency? They should fight at 100% for a week, and then just collapse if they haven't received any supplies during that time.

Or more likely they will ration the remaining ammunition so they fight at reduced efficiency (less artillery fire when conserving ammunition etc.).

 

[Bluestreak2k5]

Or more likely they will ration the remaining ammunition so they fight at reduced efficiency (less artillery fire when conserving ammunition etc.).

By that logic they start "conserving" in the first battle as soon as they fire 1 round. In reality, if they would not be rationing until they got below 50% or less. I know I wouldn't want my troops conserving ammo on an offensive because they fired one round and now are at 99%, 98% etc.