((In my runs we averaged 4 techs each year. Mainly naval and more from France then UK.))(( In all my runs (more than 15) there have been only 2 runs where we stole 1 tech each time from the British ))
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I support all of the following:
Comrade Yagoda's Intelligence plan
Comrade Sokolov's Mobilasation plan
Comrade Pasternak's proposal for Commissariat of Ideological Purity
Let us see the capitalists and fascists pass new laws with such efficancy.
-N.K. Glazkov
Comrade Yagoda's Intelligence plan
Comrade Sokolov's Mobilasation plan
Comrade Pasternak's proposal for Commissariat of Ideological Purity
Let us see the capitalists and fascists pass new laws with such efficancy.
-N.K. Glazkov
((I have been digging through the save, does HOI3 have a game log like HOI2 did? I can't find it in the save if it does. ))
((It doesn't record it, to my knowledge. And, yes, since we've stolen no techs as of yet, you're probably right not to consider their use.))
Polls:
Creation of NK for Ideological Purity: 6 votes in favor (Yagoda, Sakharov, Sokolov, Gey, Glazkov, Yakushev) - PASSES
NKVD plans: 5 votes in favor (Yagoda, Sokolov, Gey, Glazkov, Yakushev)
New laws: 5 votes in favor (Sokolov, Yakushev, Yagoda, Gey, Glazkov)
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((You're right. This is why people need to BOLD THEIR VOTES!
)) Votes updated. With the missed vote being counted, the People's Commissariat for Ideological Purity is now created, and we are accepting nominations from full members of the Politburo.
(( It is against my socialist modesty and marxist upbringing to use bold letters (unless it is a title in a document) ))
((If there's no additional votes by the end of today, yes.))
((Even Lenin emphasized words in his documents; how something which Lenin did be less than socialist?))
Gey stubs out his cigarette.
Well I nominate myself for the newly created People's Commissariat for Ideological Purity, since I believe we need a member of this Politburo to take over the formation of this new office. It will be a difficult task, so I believe I fulfill the neccessary requirements of experience, ideological orthodoxy, a firmly loyal past with devotion to the Soviet Union above nationalities present and the nerve to see such a task through. It may sound highhanded of me to trump myself up as such a person, but such an office cannot be left to fall under the purvue of someone with less than complete loyalty to the Soviet Union. Naturally if I recieve the position, I shall vacate the People's Commissariat for Agriculture, as I have no illussions about merging such vastly different offices together.
~ NK K. I. Gey
Well I nominate myself for the newly created People's Commissariat for Ideological Purity, since I believe we need a member of this Politburo to take over the formation of this new office. It will be a difficult task, so I believe I fulfill the neccessary requirements of experience, ideological orthodoxy, a firmly loyal past with devotion to the Soviet Union above nationalities present and the nerve to see such a task through. It may sound highhanded of me to trump myself up as such a person, but such an office cannot be left to fall under the purvue of someone with less than complete loyalty to the Soviet Union. Naturally if I recieve the position, I shall vacate the People's Commissariat for Agriculture, as I have no illussions about merging such vastly different offices together.
~ NK K. I. Gey
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red, I've a few thoughts/complaints/wishes on your Tech proposal:
(1): Marine Infantry - don't research them - they aren't essential for SOV, while they can pretty easy be licensed from USA/JAP and having only one technology attached to them (amphibious equipment, granting a 10% amphibious attack bonus to MAR); Unless your going heavily naval, MAR is simply not worth to invest the LS buck for selfresearch.
(2): Education - if you want to research ahead of time, assign slots according to the following prority list:
Electronic Computers (researching Mechanic Computers first ahead of time doesn't change the priority)
IC Efficiency
Education
Mechanized Infantry (including the techs you need for them)
Mechanic Computers
Meaning: Education isn't the best choice to bolster our technology with one technology oriented ahead of time slot (if you do that consistently from '36 onwards, while keeping Research Efficiency up to date, you'll have more LS than necessary in late '44).
(3): I guess 'MT' means medium armor (ARM).
(4): I request heavy plane techs (TRA and STR enablings for now)
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son, HoI3 has (little small grey button bottom, directly left of the worldmap). However, the game doesn't save it - each time you reload the log content disappears.
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As for the tech stealing discussing, it's basically useless for SOV. Tech stealing is a three step mechanic:
(1): The game decides if you get a chance to steal something (depending on eff spies, espionage efficiency, target counterintelligence).
(2): All techs, the target has get in a pot, and you draw one.
(3): If the target has a higher level than you in the tech you've drawn, you steal it (in a fourth step there is the decision made, wheter you get publicly announced for steling techs or no, but that has no effect at all - not even in multiplayer) - if the level is the same or lower you don't steal it.
Tech Stealing is basically only worth the leadership, if your techs are lower than average in almost every field (while we've ugly Naval techs, we're pretty much up to date on the rest), or if your target has for whatever reason zero priority in counterespionage (which means you've just to place ten spies there).
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As for the pending voting:
I approve Comrade Sokolov's proposal.
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As it is for Comrade Pasternak's proposal, it is not considered the optimum by Defense. Defense is not against the position itself, but against it's possible candidates. To convince people of our glorious cause, you'll need a Comrade who's best at writing - for the reactionary tsarist scum we've NKVD and Justice - they cannot convinced, since this are the guys who've profited from the serfdom in the tsarist times. Since the proposed ministry is more to tell naive follower how great the revolution is and how shitty all that facist/capitalist/tsarist scum is for most of the people (anything other than the revolution brings a wonderful life to some, but only at the cost of most), I propose to elect the editor of Pravda to full member. ((While this won't change the position at all, it would most certainly add flavor to it. However, if the majority calls for Ideological Purity, I won't oppose it (meaning: if we get five votes in favor, I'll abstent voting, and therefore pass the decree).))
Comrade Yagoda's proposal is the same - he hasn't called for voting.
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Comrade General Secretary,
I haven't casted a official vote on Comrade Pasternak's proposal, since it's not open for voting. Your call for voting is irrelevant in this case, since there's no law determining who can make a proposal ((aside from the posting ban of all non-players from the admin thread))(it's not even law, that a proposal needs to get supported by a full member before voting is called, or that a proposal belonging specifically to a NK (like budgets, excluding trials), can only be made by the regarding NK - law allows a counter-proposal from every politburo member). However, there is a clear law on who is able to call voting - the presenter himself; in this case that's Comrade Pasternak, if he doesn't call, there is never a voting, and therefore never a decree (unless someone else copies his proposal, posts it as his own proposal, and calls voting).
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Comrade Yagoda,
If you can keep the public press in our favor, we can drastically accelerate the gain of national unity by enacting the Free Press law. However if we get negative press, the effect will turn against us ((basically there is no real reason to have not Free Press during peace, unless your at 80 NU or higher (80 is the highest NU border for laws) or you neglect raising your NU at all, since the only real negative effect on NU in peace is Fractured Government with meager -0.05 - countered by one day of full priority National Unity raising per month.)).
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~NK Julia Rakobolskaja - People's Commissariat for Defense
red, I've a few thoughts/complaints/wishes on your Tech proposal:
(1): Marine Infantry - don't research them - they aren't essential for SOV, while they can pretty easy be licensed from USA/JAP and having only one technology attached to them (amphibious equipment, granting a 10% amphibious attack bonus to MAR); Unless your going heavily naval, MAR is simply not worth to invest the LS buck for selfresearch.
(2): Education - if you want to research ahead of time, assign slots according to the following prority list:
Electronic Computers (researching Mechanic Computers first ahead of time doesn't change the priority)
IC Efficiency
Education
Mechanized Infantry (including the techs you need for them)
Mechanic Computers
Meaning: Education isn't the best choice to bolster our technology with one technology oriented ahead of time slot (if you do that consistently from '36 onwards, while keeping Research Efficiency up to date, you'll have more LS than necessary in late '44).
(3): I guess 'MT' means medium armor (ARM).
(4): I request heavy plane techs (TRA and STR enablings for now)
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son, HoI3 has (little small grey button bottom, directly left of the worldmap). However, the game doesn't save it - each time you reload the log content disappears.
--
As for the tech stealing discussing, it's basically useless for SOV. Tech stealing is a three step mechanic:
(1): The game decides if you get a chance to steal something (depending on eff spies, espionage efficiency, target counterintelligence).
(2): All techs, the target has get in a pot, and you draw one.
(3): If the target has a higher level than you in the tech you've drawn, you steal it (in a fourth step there is the decision made, wheter you get publicly announced for steling techs or no, but that has no effect at all - not even in multiplayer) - if the level is the same or lower you don't steal it.
Tech Stealing is basically only worth the leadership, if your techs are lower than average in almost every field (while we've ugly Naval techs, we're pretty much up to date on the rest), or if your target has for whatever reason zero priority in counterespionage (which means you've just to place ten spies there).
))
As for the pending voting:
I approve Comrade Sokolov's proposal.
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As it is for Comrade Pasternak's proposal, it is not considered the optimum by Defense. Defense is not against the position itself, but against it's possible candidates. To convince people of our glorious cause, you'll need a Comrade who's best at writing - for the reactionary tsarist scum we've NKVD and Justice - they cannot convinced, since this are the guys who've profited from the serfdom in the tsarist times. Since the proposed ministry is more to tell naive follower how great the revolution is and how shitty all that facist/capitalist/tsarist scum is for most of the people (anything other than the revolution brings a wonderful life to some, but only at the cost of most), I propose to elect the editor of Pravda to full member. ((While this won't change the position at all, it would most certainly add flavor to it. However, if the majority calls for Ideological Purity, I won't oppose it (meaning: if we get five votes in favor, I'll abstent voting, and therefore pass the decree).))
Comrade Yagoda's proposal is the same - he hasn't called for voting.
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Comrade General Secretary,
I haven't casted a official vote on Comrade Pasternak's proposal, since it's not open for voting. Your call for voting is irrelevant in this case, since there's no law determining who can make a proposal ((aside from the posting ban of all non-players from the admin thread))(it's not even law, that a proposal needs to get supported by a full member before voting is called, or that a proposal belonging specifically to a NK (like budgets, excluding trials), can only be made by the regarding NK - law allows a counter-proposal from every politburo member). However, there is a clear law on who is able to call voting - the presenter himself; in this case that's Comrade Pasternak, if he doesn't call, there is never a voting, and therefore never a decree (unless someone else copies his proposal, posts it as his own proposal, and calls voting).
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Comrade Yagoda,
If you can keep the public press in our favor, we can drastically accelerate the gain of national unity by enacting the Free Press law. However if we get negative press, the effect will turn against us ((basically there is no real reason to have not Free Press during peace, unless your at 80 NU or higher (80 is the highest NU border for laws) or you neglect raising your NU at all, since the only real negative effect on NU in peace is Fractured Government with meager -0.05 - countered by one day of full priority National Unity raising per month.)).
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~NK Julia Rakobolskaja - People's Commissariat for Defense
As explained in post #832, neither the NKVD plan, nor the NK proposal was opened for voting by their creators, so all voting that took place on them is null and void.
It makes me really sad to see our belove General Secretary calling a vote which is against the law.
~NK Julia Rakobolskaja - People's Commissariat for Defense
Comrade Rabolskaja,
Your point about voting mechanics is valid. All NKs must remember to call for voting explicitly, and voters should make their ballots recognizable. Comrade Stalin, I propose we have an emergency meeting this evening to discuss who is allowed to vote. This would make for a good Order No. 3 in my opinion.
Now though, we are presented with a situation where we know the plans have proper support, but the voting is illegitimate. We could call for a second vote, but we already know what the outcome will be. Therefore, I suggest not to discard the current votes but to clarify rules for in the future.
Major General Feodor Vasilevich Sokolov
Your point about voting mechanics is valid. All NKs must remember to call for voting explicitly, and voters should make their ballots recognizable. Comrade Stalin, I propose we have an emergency meeting this evening to discuss who is allowed to vote. This would make for a good Order No. 3 in my opinion.
Now though, we are presented with a situation where we know the plans have proper support, but the voting is illegitimate. We could call for a second vote, but we already know what the outcome will be. Therefore, I suggest not to discard the current votes but to clarify rules for in the future.
Major General Feodor Vasilevich Sokolov
The NK of Ideological Purity shall over see the education of our youth in the ways of the party (the NK shall only deal with developing doctrine the NK of Education shall use, NK for Ideological Purity shall only deal with education in communist political ideals, Education deals with everything else)
The NK for Ideological Purity will also be in charge of making sure the Red Army, Navy, and Air Force personnel are up to date with their political education
The NK for Ideological Purity will conduct semi-annual examinations and create reports on the compliance of large populations in the Soviet Union, and satellites, to our ideology
The NK for Ideological Purity will create information that is to be distributed to the populations of nations that join our cause (satellites)
Summery:
The NK for Ideological Purity exists to spread the teachings of great communists and to adapt them to the growing needs of the world wide revolution
I call for a vote on this proposal. I vote Aye
The NK for Ideological Purity will also be in charge of making sure the Red Army, Navy, and Air Force personnel are up to date with their political education
The NK for Ideological Purity will conduct semi-annual examinations and create reports on the compliance of large populations in the Soviet Union, and satellites, to our ideology
The NK for Ideological Purity will create information that is to be distributed to the populations of nations that join our cause (satellites)
Summery:
The NK for Ideological Purity exists to spread the teachings of great communists and to adapt them to the growing needs of the world wide revolution
I call for a vote on this proposal. I vote Aye
This Briefing is most secret upon pain of death for any who leak it's contents and for their closest family members.
Greetings Comrades. our focus will shift slightly this year. We shall leave the capitalists alone and revisit them later. We will concentrate most on raising national support for the party, and increasing the apparent threat posed by Germany and Japan.
((Raise National Unity))
Our Targets and missions will be:
1)The USSR
Special USSR instructions:Maximize NU increase. *
10 spies, max recruiting((lvl 3))
Current orders should be: counterintelligence((lvl 0)) and raise NU((lvl 3))
((By early 1937 NU will exceed 60% and we will be able to enforce better laws. By early to mid 38 NU will reach 70% where we can increase our draft to 3 years and recruit officers with no penalty. ))
2)Finland
10 spies, medium recruiting((lvl 2))
Current orders should be: counterintelligence((lvl 0)) and lower NU((lvl 3))
((By late 1939 Finnish NU will be ~40% making conquest very easy and fast especially with amphibious assaults on important coastal cities.))
3)Germany
10 spies, max recruiting((lvl 3))
Current orders should be: counterintelligence((lvl 3)) and raise threat((lvl 3))
4)Japan
10 spies, max recruiting((lvl 3))
Current orders should be: counterintelligence((lvl 3)) and raise threat((lvl 3))
((After Marco Polo Japanese Belligerence will exceed German Belligerence until after Anschluss))
*((Basically we would drop the counter intelligence level from 1 to zero while keeping an eye on enemy espionage in the USSR. When enemy spies start getting troublesome again kick the CI missions up to level 1 or 2 until they are gone then back to zero. That usually only takes a few days each month. That gives us an extra 30-35% increase in NU growth))
I call for a vote, I vote Aye
Greetings Comrades. our focus will shift slightly this year. We shall leave the capitalists alone and revisit them later. We will concentrate most on raising national support for the party, and increasing the apparent threat posed by Germany and Japan.
((Raise National Unity))
Our Targets and missions will be:
1)The USSR
Special USSR instructions:Maximize NU increase. *
10 spies, max recruiting((lvl 3))
Current orders should be: counterintelligence((lvl 0)) and raise NU((lvl 3))
((By early 1937 NU will exceed 60% and we will be able to enforce better laws. By early to mid 38 NU will reach 70% where we can increase our draft to 3 years and recruit officers with no penalty. ))
2)Finland
10 spies, medium recruiting((lvl 2))
Current orders should be: counterintelligence((lvl 0)) and lower NU((lvl 3))
((By late 1939 Finnish NU will be ~40% making conquest very easy and fast especially with amphibious assaults on important coastal cities.))
3)Germany
10 spies, max recruiting((lvl 3))
Current orders should be: counterintelligence((lvl 3)) and raise threat((lvl 3))
4)Japan
10 spies, max recruiting((lvl 3))
Current orders should be: counterintelligence((lvl 3)) and raise threat((lvl 3))
((After Marco Polo Japanese Belligerence will exceed German Belligerence until after Anschluss))
*((Basically we would drop the counter intelligence level from 1 to zero while keeping an eye on enemy espionage in the USSR. When enemy spies start getting troublesome again kick the CI missions up to level 1 or 2 until they are gone then back to zero. That usually only takes a few days each month. That gives us an extra 30-35% increase in NU growth))
I call for a vote, I vote Aye
The proposals are now properly submitted and votes called for.
Regarding future proposals and votes, it is my understanding that any politburo member can speak and have his voice heard, making a proposal, BUT only the senior "voting members" can actually vote on the proposals. Does this not sound reasonable comrades? It allows all of us to voice our opinions eve though only a few opinions really "count".
Comrade Rakobolskaja,
The creation of a spot on the Politburo is solely the privilege of the full members of the Politburo. I apologize for not making this explicit; I had done so in private communiques with Comrade Yagoda when he first approached me with the proposition. You are quite right on Comrade Yagoda's not calling for a vote for the NKVD plans. We will adopt Comrade Sokolov's proposal re: these errors, and allow votes to proceed as cast, with corrections to the rules in the future.
Stalin
((Admin hat on.))
I can't say much about the NKVD vote; that's entirely mea culpa, although the fact that people started voting immediately after he posted the second proposal doesn't help.
For a new, full voting member of the Politburo member, these proposals must be initiated by or supported by an existing full member of the Politburo. All proposals that come into a specific NK's bailiwick must be introduced by that NK. Additional candidate members can be added simply by approaching me via PM. I will add these rules to the OP; again, apologies for not spelling them out.
This does bring up a good point: I'd like to try to find a way to get candidate members more involved, should they choose to be. I am open to thoughts on this matter.
The creation of a spot on the Politburo is solely the privilege of the full members of the Politburo. I apologize for not making this explicit; I had done so in private communiques with Comrade Yagoda when he first approached me with the proposition. You are quite right on Comrade Yagoda's not calling for a vote for the NKVD plans. We will adopt Comrade Sokolov's proposal re: these errors, and allow votes to proceed as cast, with corrections to the rules in the future.
Stalin
((Admin hat on.))
I can't say much about the NKVD vote; that's entirely mea culpa, although the fact that people started voting immediately after he posted the second proposal doesn't help.
For a new, full voting member of the Politburo member, these proposals must be initiated by or supported by an existing full member of the Politburo. All proposals that come into a specific NK's bailiwick must be introduced by that NK. Additional candidate members can be added simply by approaching me via PM. I will add these rules to the OP; again, apologies for not spelling them out.
This does bring up a good point: I'd like to try to find a way to get candidate members more involved, should they choose to be. I am open to thoughts on this matter.
Comrade Yagoda,
Only the individual who introduced the proposal can call for a vote, so your call for Yakushev's tech plan is invalid, at present.
Stalin
Only the individual who introduced the proposal can call for a vote, so your call for Yakushev's tech plan is invalid, at present.
Stalin