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Dear Comrades

So much to say, so little time to say it.

Firstly, congratulations on your rightmindedness in adopting the modified Sphere of Influence plan.

Next, Comrade Rakobolskaja, welcome back from your leave. You should probably speak to the General Secretary about installing better communications at his dacha in Yalta to avoid future inconveniences. I have outlined the first part of my overview of our military assets here. I would appreciate your views after reading it.

By way of update since the preparation of that discussion paper, I have noted no significant changes in our forces save for the 10 Tank divisions revealed by the General Secretary and an additional transport in Leningrad. However, I do note that our tanks are now more modern and that the 10 new Tank divisions are all at full strength, not Reserves. As such, they would form a vital part of the Strike Army which I propose we form out of the Far Eastern forces.

With respect to the comments of Comrade Sokolov, I am in full agreement with my old teacher that we should aim for 2 Rifle divisions per area in the Red Wall, but first we must build the first row of bricks. However, his comments also caused me to reflect on the composition of the Rifle Corps and I agree with his views that they should be 4 Rifle divisions. The addition of a 4th Motorized division merely fritters away this asset in penny packets in a Wellesleyian manner, whereas the Motorized divisions should be kept concentrated in a Napoleonic force de rupture. I also have no objection to considering paratroops but the technology for forming these formations of troops and the transports they will require are a number of years away and my plan is more focused on the next 1-3 years.

I am also indebted to Comrade Yagoda's suggestions to convert the 4 Garrison divisions to Mountain divisions and to convert the Cavalry divisions to Motorized/Tank divisions. This becomes immediately important in response to Comrade Hrynko's question to me.

Comrade Hrynko, it is my preference to convert the 4 Garrison divisions to Mountain divisions, with 3 Mountain regiments replacing the 3 Garrison regiments in each division. This should costs about 5.34 IC and take 95 days which is considerably cheaper and faster than starting from scratch. I suggest doing 2 divisions at a time. I also ask that the 5 Cavalry divisons be converted with 1 Motorized regiment and 1 Tank regiment replacing the 2 Cavalry regiments. This will costs 3.33 IC each and take 59 days. This can be done one at a time as they are all Reserves.

I place upgrading at a lower priority as we will be modernising the army considerably over the next 3 years and the various forces are so large that it would take an enormous IC commitment to do it properly. I believe it is better to build new units starting with the new technology and let the rest catch up once we have expanded our industrial capacity to take on this mammoth job. I would also not rush to build too many new units at this stage as I hope to make considerable technological advances over the next 3 years.

By way of general remarks on the allocation of production, I note we now have 2 transports. Without wishing to fan the flames of the Naval enthusiasts amongst us, the remaining 3 transports advocated by said enthusiasts could be built in seriatim within 18 months at 8 IC each.

I would also appreciate either an INT or a TAC in a series run of 3. From what I can see, IC's will be in short supply so we cannot afford to run both at this time. The preference should depend on the Air Marshal supervising the works (the present one is a fighter supporter) as this will protect the practical knowledge longer. The situation can be reviewed early in 1937.

I will review the possible targets for liberation in part 2 of my discussion paper tomorrow night. From my review so far, we presently do not have the technology to improve the road and rail net. However, if we decide that Afghanistan is a viable target, I request that at least 1 airfield be built as close as possible to our border opposite Kabul. If we are looking at Finland, an airfield to the East of Lake Ladoga would also be appreciated.

On the issue of leadership points, I will leave that mostly to others, except to express the view that I would prefer our economy was bolstered (especially Education, Agriculture, Supply and Industrial efficiency) before we upgrade the Armed Forces. The military upgrades should first focus on the Fighter aircraft, then the Bombers, then the Tanks and finally the Infantry in order to reflect how much longer it takes to build the more complex units. I am happy to expand on this at a later date if Comrades require specific preferences.

Yours fraternally

NF Vatutin (Col)
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First Quarter Fiscal Divisions and Administration of the Year 1936; United Soviet Socialist Republic's Ministry of Finance
This document is designated top secret. Any and all leakage to unauthorized personnel will result in NKVD involvement

Total IC: 116
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Upgrades: 24.1 IC^
Reinforcement: 0.7 IC
Supplies: 0.0 IC
Production: 48.28 IC
Consumer Goods: 42.92 IC*
____________________________
= 116 IC

*Any and all occurrences that effect the demand for Consumer Goods in the Republics will have their IC taken from Upgrades

^If IC used on Upgrades exceeds demand, the wasted IC will be used on Production. If IC is needed for Upgrades again, the IC will be taken from Production until it reaches the cut off point of 21% of total IC, or 24.1 IC.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Financial Report Summery:

After consultation with STAVKA over some basic desires, this year's quarter looks as per expected. Nothing unusual to report. Recommendations include the creation of greater IC facilities in the Soviet Union, and Industrial Production and Efficiency techs are completed to modern standards

~Narkomfin H.F.H.
 
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Excellent update comrade. I echo your thoughts with regard to research projects. While outside of my purview, I would like to offer some suggestions.
I recommend that we research the following projects in the following order:
1) Industrial Production(return to top of queue when finished 1x)
2) Industrial Efficiency(return to top of queue when finished 1x)
3) Education(return to top of queue when finished 1x)
4) Agriculture
5) Supply Production
6) Supply Transportation
7) Supply Organization
8) Radio Detection
9) Civil Defense
10) Basic Medium Fuel Tank
11) Basic Twin Engine Airframe
12) Basic Bomb
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14) Basic Small Fuel Tank
15) Basic Small Engine Airframe
16) Basic Air Machine Gun
17) Engineer Brigade
18-21) 4 1936 Infantry Techs
22-25) 4 1936 Light Armor Techs
26-27) 2 1936 Anti-Tank Techs
28-29) 2 1936 Artillery Techs
 

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As a reminder of the division of duties, how IC and leadership is spent is currently the provision of the Commissar of Defense, NKVD, and Foreign Ministry (this includes both techs and unit production). Comrades Rakobolskaja and Vatutin may discuss this at length, and I am willing to entertain proposals which divert portions of this duty to other Politburo members if necessary.

Stalin

STAVKA ORDER NO. 1

1. Effective 1/I/1936, the use of military ranks will revert to the pre-Soviet system of rankings. The experimental use of ranks such as "Kombrig" is no longer appropriate, and a more standard nomenclature will be especially helpful for those officers working with non-Soviets. ((The purely functional ranks were only introduced in 1935 IRL, and it's fair to say that Tukhachevsky in particular thought they were ridiculous. Soviet dates are typically day (Arabic numeral), month (Roman numeral), year.))

2. Effective 1/I/1936, Colonel Vatutin is promoted to Major General in recognition of his outstanding service to the Soviet Union.

M. N. Tukhachevsky, Marshal of the Soviet Union

((Without getting too much into rank details, the Soviets had four General ranks -- Major General, General, Lieutenant General, and General Colonel -- and then the rank of Marshal, roughly equivalent to "General of the Army" in the USA.))
 

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You should probably speak to the General Secretary about installing better communications at his dacha in Yalta to avoid future inconveniences.
((Thanks, that gave me an good laugh.))
1) Industrial Production(return to top of queue when finished 1x)
4) Agriculture
5) Supply Production
9) Civil Defense
17) Engineer Brigade
28-29) 2 1936 Artillery Techs
((A few engine related additions to the above techs:
- Industrial Production is one of the least profitable techs in this game - better rush Industrial Efficiency
- Agriculture is nice for most nations, but for a single player Soviet Union (or China) it's pretty much low end
- As SOV, you're usually waiting till 1940 before researching Supply Production - you can import all supplies with the money you got from crude/rares/metal, and by then you probably have better practicals then
- Engineers are generally only useful as swap-in brigade (as brigade sized engineers were used IRL, btw) - if playing an AI heavy scenario, it's safe to ignore them, especially as SOV
- As SOV, I would at least think about ignoring ART (you cannot ignore AT, due to the ap mechanic, with TFH) - one of the main reason is their low manpower usage, which is not really important for the Soviet Union
))
--
As Comrade Hrynko delivered his Budget, I'll start forming a clear distribution of resources to the different departments. Since there's no imminent danger of war posed to us, I think we can safely shift our focus into expanding our Industry (your turn, Comrade Kamensky), while keeping a basic level of military production (just to make sure, that the leading engineers of war material aren't leaving).
 

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((A few engine related additions to the above techs:
- Industrial Production is one of the least profitable techs in this game - better rush Industrial Efficiency
Strange, I saw noticeable returns from both techs, and was able to research both twice before the end of 1936.
- Agriculture is nice for most nations, but for a single player Soviet Union (or China) it's pretty much low end
Different play styles I guess. For me manpower for the USSR is like IC for the USA. The only thing better than more is even more.


- As SOV, you're usually waiting till 1940 before researching Supply Production - you can import all supplies with the money you got from crude/rares/metal, and by then you probably have better practicals then
I will take your word for it. It is a quick easy tech to research iirc, though you are correct I spent very little ic on supplies until 40-41

- Engineers are generally only useful as swap-in brigade (as brigade sized engineers were used IRL, btw) - if playing an AI heavy scenario, it's safe to ignore them, especially as SOV
Ok, I used them as defenders and cross river attackers. I am still learning HOI3 though and will take your word for it.

- As SOV, I would at least think about ignoring ART (you cannot ignore AT, due to the ap mechanic, with TFH) - one of the main reason is their low manpower usage, which is not really important for the Soviet Union
))
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Ok, I know I was using divisions of 3xinf(2xinfbefore 42), 1xart, 1xat. I found that make up very successful for the bulk of my divisions.
 

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Comrades,

Prior to any defense spending, we must confirm the budgets for both leadership and Industrial Capacity by a formal vote. You may go ahead and vote on Comrade Hrynko's proposal now, or propose any alterations you wish to make.

Stalin
 

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First Quarter Fiscal Divisions and Administration of the Year 1936; United Soviet Socialist Republic's Ministry of Finance
This document is designated top secret. Any and all leakage to unauthorized personnel will result in NKVD involvement

Total IC: 116
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Upgrades: 24.1 IC
Reinforcement: 0.7 IC
Supplies: 0.0 IC
Production: 48.28 IC
Consumer Goods: 42.92 IC*
____________________________
= 116 IC

*Any and all occurrences that effect the demand for Consumer Goods in the Republics will have their IC taken from Upgrades

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Financial Report Summery:

After consultation with STAVKA over some basic desires, this year's quarter looks as per expected. Nothing unusual to report. Recommendations include the creation of greater IC facilities in the Soviet Union, and Industrial Production and Efficiency techs are completed to modern standards

~Narkomfin H.F.H.
I support this plan.
 

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Comrades,

Prior to any defense spending, we must confirm the budgets for both leadership and Industrial Capacity by a formal vote. You may go ahead and vote on Comrade Hrynko's proposal now, or propose any alterations you wish to make.

Stalin
Comrade General Secretary the only LS budget I have seen was my proposal. Have I somehow missed the Education Ministry suggestion?
 

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As a reminder of the division of duties, how IC and leadership is spent is currently the provision of the Commissar of Defense, NKVD, and Foreign Ministry (this includes both techs and unit production). Comrades Rakobolskaja and Vatutin may discuss this at length, and I am willing to entertain proposals which divert portions of this duty to other Politburo members if necessary.

Stalin

Does this mean that you no longer wish a Financial Summery at the end of each Financial Quarter Statement Comrade General Secretary?

NKF H.F.H
 

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Comrade General Secretary the only LS budget I have seen was my proposal. Have I somehow missed the Education Ministry suggestion?

No; this is a statement of general practices, not current duties.

Stalin

Does this mean that you no longer wish a Financial Summery at the end of each Financial Quarter Statement Comrade General Secretary?

NKF H.F.H

The recommendations are entirely appropriate, although the other Commissars are under no obligation to follow them.

Stalin


At present, we require four more votes to confirm the budget for Finance. Other Commissars are free to comment and make suggestions, of course.
 

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Strange, I saw noticeable returns from both techs, and was able to research both twice before the end of 1936.
((Yes, there are returns from Industrial Production, but that tech has one of the highest cost/effect ratios, and is therefore at least no top priority tech for technologically backward countries like SOV.))
Different play styles I guess. For me manpower for the USSR is like IC for the USA. The only thing better than more is even more.
Well, the Soviet Union can support a quite huge IC base also, while having the second largest manpower on the world (the largest has a unified China), so it's also a nice to have tech, but no priority one.
I will take your word for it. It is a quick easy tech to research iirc, though you are correct I spent very little ic on supplies until 40-41
Well, as SOV you basically sell rares/metal/crude to the axis, and get supplies back (obviously, importing German supplies is no longer a option as they start Barbarossa). In the mean time you boost practicals, so you'll save ~70 LS*days for no real cost.
Ok, I used them as defenders and cross river attackers. I am still learning HOI3 though and will take your word for it.
The argument against permanent ENG isn't that they're bad - it's that adding another brigade with direct combat stats (eg soft attack etc) is better in just about all situations. They use up a brigade space - that's their problem, not being bad at all - the alternatives are just better.
Ok, I know I was using divisions of 3xinf(2xinfbefore 42), 1xart, 1xat. I found that make up very successful for the bulk of my divisions.
Personally I'm into the INF/INF/3x[ART/AT] approach. Nevertheless, I knew, there were guys around, who were playing SOV without any support brigades for the rifle units in FTM. With TFH, you cannot really neglect AT, since you need their AP, but leaving out ART could be a way.
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((Btw, some additional information on paratroopers and mountaineers:
Paratroopers are only useful in manual theaters - since we have none, I suggest ignoring them completely.
Mountaineers are a really useful unit, if controlled manually (in fact they're my standard infantry with Germany/UK/US), but if controlled by the AI in the style we do, it requires pretty much skill, to make them useful (for the simple reason, that the AI cannot see the difference between normal infantry and mountaineers like we do - for the AI, they're both some guys with rifles. DOT. No difference.))
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Comrade Hrynko, since you proposed a fairly high value for Upgrades, and the demand for Upgrade varies heavily, you've to clarify, what to do if Upgrade allocation isn't used.
 

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((Paratroopers may be controlled manually, as stated in the OP, FYI.))
 

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((Paratroopers may be controlled manually, as stated in the OP, FYI.))
((Yes, I know. However, they're totally impracticable, to use in conjunction with automated units. Basically an large scale airborne assault only works, if all troops in the particular region are under the same command. You land paras in the hinterland, while attacking the flanks with armor, which forces either an chaotic retreat, or the imminent threat of an large encirclement.))
 

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Comrades can we get an expert opinion on the process of upgrading our troops? I believe that this knowledge will help the members of the Politburo to come to a decision regarding the allocation of the production budget.

For example, it looks very inefficient to me to spend months in giving our troops new rifles, only to have to re-equip them in a few days if a more advanced rifle is developed in the meantime.

A.Y.

(( Can we halt upgrades in TFH and upgrade all troops instantly with infantry 1940 techs instead of gradually upgrading and wasting all these resources ?))
 

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First Quarter Fiscal Divisions and Administration of the Year 1936; United Soviet Socialist Republic's Ministry of Finance
This document is designated top secret. Any and all leakage to unauthorized personnel will result in NKVD involvement

Total IC: 116
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Upgrades: 24.1 IC
Reinforcement: 0.7 IC
Supplies: 0.0 IC
Production: 48.28 IC
Consumer Goods: 42.92 IC*
____________________________
= 116 IC

*Any and all occurrences that effect the demand for Consumer Goods in the Republics will have their IC taken from Upgrades

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Financial Report Summery:

After consultation with STAVKA over some basic desires, this year's quarter looks as per expected. Nothing unusual to report. Recommendations include the creation of greater IC facilities in the Soviet Union, and Industrial Production and Efficiency techs are completed to modern standards

~Narkomfin H.F.H.

This plan appears to make good use of our powerful industry, I do have one question though comrade. How long do you estimate it will take to have our men using modern weaponry? The amount of effort we put into having an up to date army will directly affect our timetable on spreading communism and liberating the oppressed workers of our neighbors.

- People's Commissar for Communication, Viktor Ivanovidh Glazkov
 

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This plan appears to make good use of our powerful industry, I do have one question though comrade. How long do you estimate it will take to have our men using modern weaponry? The amount of effort we put into having an up to date army will directly affect our timetable on spreading communism and liberating the oppressed workers of our neighbors.

- People's Commissar for Communication, Viktor Ivanovidh Glazkov

I deal with numbers, not the military. Ask our ministry of defense and STAVKA for such information. I was told by STAVKA that they wanted emphasis on production over upgrades. As such I provided that.

~ NKF H.F.H
 

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Comrades can we get an expert opinion on the process of upgrading our troops? I believe that this knowledge will help the members of the Politburo to come to a decision regarding the allocation of the production budget.

For example, it looks very inefficient to me to spend months in giving our troops new rifles, only to have to re-equip them in a few days if a more advanced rifle is developed in the meantime.

A.Y.

(( Can we halt upgrades in TFH and upgrade all troops instantly with infantry 1940 techs instead of gradually upgrading and wasting all these resources ?))
((Well, IRL, this would be an excellent concern. However, even if we would cheat ourselves to 1950 small arms instantly, we would've to equip our guys with all the weapons in between, just to scrap them again. Waiting with upgrades can produce small advantages, based on practicals, but they're usually to small to care about (at least if playing majors).))
 

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I deal with numbers, not the military. Ask our ministry of defense and STAVKA for such information. I was told by STAVKA that they wanted emphasis on production over upgrades. As such I provided that.

~ NKF H.F.H
Well, if STAVKA is willing to wait, clearly there aren't any plans that would require the troops to have the most up to date weapons, at least not in the immediate future.

- N.K. Glazkov