Trust - What is it good for?

[Camara]

I just hope in some cases the trust is maintained.
Imagine I own half Europe and I'm allied since start to a OPM.
It may make sense for them to keep liking me as I never attacked them and instead protected them from enemies.

 

[Stenen Jan]

If you're afraid of France as Netherlands past 1550 or so, you've been doing something very wrong, as in picking the wrong ideas or haven't been allying the right people.

I was playing a tall game so I hadn't expanded my borders beyond my Dutch cores and until that point I'd been focusing on ideas that gave me development discounts rather than focusing on military so France still had a huge manpower and, especially, morale lead over my armies.

When the wars with France did come, needless to say I made mince meat out of them (with some help from my new Spanish allies, of course)

 

[TheMeInTeam]

As I was kindly reminded in another thread, alliances are not meant to last forever; even if you stay an OPM, one of your buddies will eventually come knocking. I personally don't like it, even if it's realistic.

The problem is that WYP and WYSP are treated very differently. There is not a coherent reason for that. If backstabbing/turning on 100 trust allies is a design part of the game, why is it only happening with subject provinces?

Aside from subject provinces you'd need to rack up massive opinion hits > 150 AE to break alliances with that kind of trust. But if you get one gold mine in Mexico it's donezo. That's bizarre and not a good implementation alongside how most of it works.

 

[Starisc]

The problem is that WYP and WYSP are treated very differently. There is not a coherent reason for that. If backstabbing/turning on 100 trust allies is a design part of the game, why is it only happening with subject provinces?

Aside from subject provinces you'd need to rack up massive opinion hits > 150 AE to break alliances with that kind of trust. But if you get one gold mine in Mexico it's donezo. That's bizarre and not a good implementation alongside how most of it works.

Exactly. Right now it makes a difference if its your subject or your own provinces. The game pushes me to release Mexico and reconquer to avoid this = AKA go full, true one tag ballistic on my colonial nations to keep allies. I doubt this is a design intention.

And does it actually happen to AI? Portugal & Spain stay best buddies basically forever despite either one usually ending up with giant CNs with Mexican or Peruvian goldmines.