Jeah. The NWO events have a couple of missing ending and they can cause such a wired structure. Like i said Studi is working on this events. This will already solve a couple of problems.
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I'm thinking of introducing two separate event chains, one for a british surrender before Barbarossa and one for afterwards. Currently, i'm rewriting the old "New Order East" - chains. I'll deal with "New Order West" next.
These chains haven't been thoroughly reviewed for years...that's why i decided to do it when we actually just wanted to add some minor details.
@Fabiusz: We want to keep elite units unbuildable. So, sorry, but i don't see unit type changes for elite units in the future. Concerning the next DH patch (1.04 final, i suppose), i just know that the devs are still working on it and implementing fixes and additions. But i don't have any clue when they're going to release it.
These chains haven't been thoroughly reviewed for years...that's why i decided to do it when we actually just wanted to add some minor details.
@Fabiusz: We want to keep elite units unbuildable. So, sorry, but i don't see unit type changes for elite units in the future. Concerning the next DH patch (1.04 final, i suppose), i just know that the devs are still working on it and implementing fixes and additions. But i don't have any clue when they're going to release it.
For some reason, I can't build the 1948 Submarine, even though I meet all the prerequisite tech (Walther) and it's 1950...
Lord Rommel, I'm about to start a new game with TRP; before starting game, there is a way I could manually insert missing lines about modern subs and the second heavy BB?
I also read that TRP team is working on New Order chains; I'd like to suggest something about UK in africa: even if Italy manages to annex Egypt and in the process to occupy also the British territories like Suez and Alexandria, after the NOW events they come back to UK just like Tunisia-Corsica to France and like Morocco occupied by Spain gets back to Paris.
I also read that TRP team is working on New Order chains; I'd like to suggest something about UK in africa: even if Italy manages to annex Egypt and in the process to occupy also the British territories like Suez and Alexandria, after the NOW events they come back to UK just like Tunisia-Corsica to France and like Morocco occupied by Spain gets back to Paris.
Go to TRP\scenarios\1936\events\secret_weapon_events.txt
1) look for event 8022
edit action_a to look like this:
Code:
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME3201A" # OK
command = { type = activate which = 7530 } # Heavy Battleship
command = { type = activate which = 7540 } # Heavy Battleship 1942
}2) look for event 8026
edit action_a to look like this:
Code:
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME3201A" # OK
command = { type = activate which = 7560 } # Walther U-boat
command = { type = activate which = 3750 } # Submarine 1948
command = { type = activate which = 3770 } # Submarine 1954
command = { type = activate which = 3780 } # Submarine 1958
}Thx for the hint. We won't be able to take any possible outcome of the war into respect, but we'll try to create a scenario as error-proof as possible.
Thank you for the answers; another couple of"strange" things with NOW that I think may be interesting to check out are that UK gets back both Hong Kong and three or four other provinces in the Borneo from Japan together with retaining possession of the Azores (shouldn't they get back to Portugal once Great Britain is no more at war with the Axis?)
Again, compliments to you and all the other modders
Again, compliments to you and all the other modders
Thx. We'll try our very best. Remember that there are more than 2000 provinces and about 200 possible nations in this game and it'd be a hell of a trigger list to take any outcome of the war into account. I'm really looking forward to this job...well...not so much... 
NOE is already giving me a hard time.
NOE is already giving me a hard time.
copied from my little debate about 'War Weariness' with TRP guys elsewhere:
in WW2, people in Axis and Allied countries knew more what to expect, so there wasn't so great war weariness, but i may add, that 1) totalitarian countries with most horrific losses, USSR, Germany and Japan, had very harsh regimes with brainwashing propaganda, 2) Italian surrender to Allies was completely due to war weariness, revolts, food shortages, military defeats etc., 3) Great Britain alone had almost 900 000 (military) casualties in Great War, and terrible social and political consequences similar to French ones, so WW2 was not so cruel to them. 4) 'Murica, compared to the rest of Allies, had no war weariness. They had much greater population than Britain so they didn't have to conscript too many people and they have safe homeland far from frontlines. If they were forced to conscript much more men, 'Arsenal of Democracy' would surely suffer.
let bleed britain dry to force them to surrender? why not?
in WW2, people in Axis and Allied countries knew more what to expect, so there wasn't so great war weariness, but i may add, that 1) totalitarian countries with most horrific losses, USSR, Germany and Japan, had very harsh regimes with brainwashing propaganda, 2) Italian surrender to Allies was completely due to war weariness, revolts, food shortages, military defeats etc., 3) Great Britain alone had almost 900 000 (military) casualties in Great War, and terrible social and political consequences similar to French ones, so WW2 was not so cruel to them. 4) 'Murica, compared to the rest of Allies, had no war weariness. They had much greater population than Britain so they didn't have to conscript too many people and they have safe homeland far from frontlines. If they were forced to conscript much more men, 'Arsenal of Democracy' would surely suffer.
let bleed britain dry to force them to surrender? why not?
Well. Studti listed a couple of control mechanisms for TRP at the AAR thread. I want to add a different point of view; What should be the trigger moment for ENG to capitulate by
casualties? HoI II had no mechanism like HoI III with national unity. Casualties is a problem too because depending on army structure and combat history casualties will be generated too fast or too slow. The trigger had to split between a human ENG or an AI ENG and/or human GER or AI GER. You cant adjust parameters for such a situations. It is too difficult from my point of view.
Have Norway received any improvements in this mod? If Nor have been given better tech, I would love to know what and the background for it.
We havent worked on Norway because we had no new information for Norway. With new information we could work on it. Feel free to post improvement ideas and we will see what we can do.
Alright. Take a look at my "Norway Improved". I'm currently digging up info.
If I may, I would add much more flavor events to TRP - you even doesn't have to write them yourselves, if you want, just ask guys from other mods. Like Edge of Darkness, what Aleksa75 and others wrote just for Japan alone:
# Japanese Depart Naval Conference
# Nationalist Chinese Gain Control of Guangdong
# Japanese Seven Secret Demands
# Nationalist-Communist Chinese Understanding
# Japanese Northern China Campaign
# Japanese Naval Blockade of China
# U.S. Ban on Arms Shipments to China and Japan
# Establishment of Japanese Cabinet Advisory Council
# Roosevelt's Quarantine Speech
# League Condemnation of Japan
# Establishment of Japanese Imperial Headquarters
# Nine Power Conference in Brussels
# Japanese Yangtze Campaign
# Japanese Capture of Qingdao
# Japanese Yellow River Campaign
# National Mobilization Bill in Japan
# Establishment of Reformed Government of China
# Japanese Spring Offensives in China
# Establishment of United Council of China
# League Declaration of Japanese Aggression
# Japanese Offensive in Southern China
# Japanese Occupation of Hankou
# Japanese Withdrawal from League Technical Organizations
# U.S. Reaffirmation of the Nine-Power Treaty
# U.S. Protest of Japanese Open Door Violations
# Japanese Response to U.S. Open Door Note
# U.S. Rejection of Japanese "New Order"
# Japanese Occupation of Hainan
# Russo-Japanese Fishing Rights Dispute
# Japanese Blockade of Tianjin
# U.S. Denunciation of the Trade Pact of 1911 with Japan
# Japanese Offensive in Southern China
# Russo-Japanese Fishing Accord
# The Tanggu Truce
# Operation Nekka
# Japan withdraws from the League of Nations
# Increased government spending by 20%
# New Order in East Asia
# Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere
# RIKEN Institute
# The commanding officer of Kwantung Army
# The construction of Soryu and Hiryu
# Nakajima B5N
# Mitsubishi A6M Zero
# Japanese Military Conscription
# Japanese Coastal Defense
# National Mobilization Law
# Typhoon Muroto
# Teijin Scandal
# Chin-Doihara Agreement
# Halhamiao Incident
# Japanese Protectorate Over China Declaration
# Nagoya Pan-Pacific Peace Exposition
# National Spiritual Mobilization Movement
# Kamikaze
# Hakko ichiu
# The Bushido Code
# Convert Transports Into Escort Carriers
# Transports Converted Into Escort Carriers
# Automobile Manufacturing Industries Act
# Okada Cabinet
# Hirota Cabinet
# Hayashi Cabinet
# Konoe Cabinet
# Hiranuma Cabinet
# Abe Nobuyuki Cabinet
# Yonai Cabinet
# 2nd Konoe Cabinet
# Tojo Cabinet
# Koiso Cabinet
# Suzuki Cabinet
# The death of Isoroku Yamamoto
# Tientsin Incident
# Ho-Umezu Agreement
# Japanese Enunciation of Three Point Policy
# Creation of East Hopei Autonomous Council
# Expiration of U.S.-Japanese Trade Treaty of 1911
# Pro-Japanese Government Established in China
# U.S. Warning on the Dutch East Indies
# Russo-Japanese Accord on Manchukuo
# Japanese Warships in French Indo-China
# British Closure of the Burma Road
# U.S. Warning on French Indo-China
# Japanese Warning to the U.S.
# U.S. Embargo on Scrap Iron and Steel
# Franco-Thai Truce
# Russo-Japanese Treaty of Neutrality
# U.S. Freezing of Japanese Credits
# Exclusion of Britain and U.S. from the Far East
# Japanese Offensive against Malaya
# Japanese Offensive against the Philippines
# Fall of Guam
# Fall of Wake Island
# Fall of Hong Kong
# Development of German-Japanese alliance
# Development of Italian-Japanese alliance
# U.S.S.R. the absolute enemy
# War Minister Araki Speech
# Preparations for war
# The secret fortification of mandated islands
# The Amau statement
# Hirota's categorical assurance
# Designs upon the Soviet Union led the army to seek a German alliance
# The army's part in the mobilisation of public opinion
# ‘Two-in-one’ system
# Invasion of Jehol
# Consolidation and economic exploitation of Manchuria
# 2nd phase of the Manchukuo reorganization
# Control of industries
# Manchuria heavy industry development corporation
# Grand Han Righteous Army
# The Fengtai incident
# The Chang-Kawagoe Talks
# Battle of Shanghai
# The ‘Federated Committee’ of Puppet Regimes
# Japan Terminated All Relations With League of Nations
# The North China Telephone and Telegraph Company
# Naval Expansion Under Hirota
# Hashimoto and the Greater Japan Young Men's Society
# The Five-Year Plan for Important Industries
# The Refusal to Agree to an International Limitation of Naval Gun Calibre
# Araki, A Popular Figure
# Japan Delays Attack on U.S.S.R.
# The Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere Includes Part of Siberia
# Active Preparations for War After Germany's Attack Upon the U.S.S.R.
# Japan Gives Germany Military Information Concerning the USSR
# Imperial Rule Assistance Association
# Total War Research Institute
# GIRETSU KUTEITAI
# Britain´s ambassador hit
# CANON is founded
# Toshiba is founded
# China sends two B-10 bombers to Nagasaki
# The League of Nations condemns Japanese actions in China
# Cooperation Under Tripartite Pact
# War tuba
# Type A Ko-hyoteki-class submarine
# Preparations for Move to the South
# Trade Scrap Metal to Japan
# Scrap Metal from the USA
# Trade Oil to Japan
# Oil from the USA
# Armed Merchant Cruisers
# Japanese Military Programmes
# Carrier Conversions
# 3146033 Japanese Submarine Production
# Manchukuo
# Partisan Events
# The Kodoha Grows Stronger
# The Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere creation
# Japanese Deployment in Indochina
# Manchukuo Defensive Line
# Chinese Collaborationist Armies
# Japanese Belligerance Corrector
# Withdrawal of the Big Three
# The Americans Are Supporting The Chinese
# National Service Draft Ordinance
# Philippines Surrender
# Wartime Fuel Conservation
# Kammon Strait tunnel
# Fortification
# Koreans in Japanese Imperial Army
# I-400-class submarine
And for people who hates a lot of texts and history, well, you have already one button to disable news of the world
I mean, I love TRP as a great challenge for every nation, but I also love a lot of flavor around...and I am sure I am not alone.
# Japanese Depart Naval Conference
# Nationalist Chinese Gain Control of Guangdong
# Japanese Seven Secret Demands
# Nationalist-Communist Chinese Understanding
# Japanese Northern China Campaign
# Japanese Naval Blockade of China
# U.S. Ban on Arms Shipments to China and Japan
# Establishment of Japanese Cabinet Advisory Council
# Roosevelt's Quarantine Speech
# League Condemnation of Japan
# Establishment of Japanese Imperial Headquarters
# Nine Power Conference in Brussels
# Japanese Yangtze Campaign
# Japanese Capture of Qingdao
# Japanese Yellow River Campaign
# National Mobilization Bill in Japan
# Establishment of Reformed Government of China
# Japanese Spring Offensives in China
# Establishment of United Council of China
# League Declaration of Japanese Aggression
# Japanese Offensive in Southern China
# Japanese Occupation of Hankou
# Japanese Withdrawal from League Technical Organizations
# U.S. Reaffirmation of the Nine-Power Treaty
# U.S. Protest of Japanese Open Door Violations
# Japanese Response to U.S. Open Door Note
# U.S. Rejection of Japanese "New Order"
# Japanese Occupation of Hainan
# Russo-Japanese Fishing Rights Dispute
# Japanese Blockade of Tianjin
# U.S. Denunciation of the Trade Pact of 1911 with Japan
# Japanese Offensive in Southern China
# Russo-Japanese Fishing Accord
# The Tanggu Truce
# Operation Nekka
# Japan withdraws from the League of Nations
# Increased government spending by 20%
# New Order in East Asia
# Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere
# RIKEN Institute
# The commanding officer of Kwantung Army
# The construction of Soryu and Hiryu
# Nakajima B5N
# Mitsubishi A6M Zero
# Japanese Military Conscription
# Japanese Coastal Defense
# National Mobilization Law
# Typhoon Muroto
# Teijin Scandal
# Chin-Doihara Agreement
# Halhamiao Incident
# Japanese Protectorate Over China Declaration
# Nagoya Pan-Pacific Peace Exposition
# National Spiritual Mobilization Movement
# Kamikaze
# Hakko ichiu
# The Bushido Code
# Convert Transports Into Escort Carriers
# Transports Converted Into Escort Carriers
# Automobile Manufacturing Industries Act
# Okada Cabinet
# Hirota Cabinet
# Hayashi Cabinet
# Konoe Cabinet
# Hiranuma Cabinet
# Abe Nobuyuki Cabinet
# Yonai Cabinet
# 2nd Konoe Cabinet
# Tojo Cabinet
# Koiso Cabinet
# Suzuki Cabinet
# The death of Isoroku Yamamoto
# Tientsin Incident
# Ho-Umezu Agreement
# Japanese Enunciation of Three Point Policy
# Creation of East Hopei Autonomous Council
# Expiration of U.S.-Japanese Trade Treaty of 1911
# Pro-Japanese Government Established in China
# U.S. Warning on the Dutch East Indies
# Russo-Japanese Accord on Manchukuo
# Japanese Warships in French Indo-China
# British Closure of the Burma Road
# U.S. Warning on French Indo-China
# Japanese Warning to the U.S.
# U.S. Embargo on Scrap Iron and Steel
# Franco-Thai Truce
# Russo-Japanese Treaty of Neutrality
# U.S. Freezing of Japanese Credits
# Exclusion of Britain and U.S. from the Far East
# Japanese Offensive against Malaya
# Japanese Offensive against the Philippines
# Fall of Guam
# Fall of Wake Island
# Fall of Hong Kong
# Development of German-Japanese alliance
# Development of Italian-Japanese alliance
# U.S.S.R. the absolute enemy
# War Minister Araki Speech
# Preparations for war
# The secret fortification of mandated islands
# The Amau statement
# Hirota's categorical assurance
# Designs upon the Soviet Union led the army to seek a German alliance
# The army's part in the mobilisation of public opinion
# ‘Two-in-one’ system
# Invasion of Jehol
# Consolidation and economic exploitation of Manchuria
# 2nd phase of the Manchukuo reorganization
# Control of industries
# Manchuria heavy industry development corporation
# Grand Han Righteous Army
# The Fengtai incident
# The Chang-Kawagoe Talks
# Battle of Shanghai
# The ‘Federated Committee’ of Puppet Regimes
# Japan Terminated All Relations With League of Nations
# The North China Telephone and Telegraph Company
# Naval Expansion Under Hirota
# Hashimoto and the Greater Japan Young Men's Society
# The Five-Year Plan for Important Industries
# The Refusal to Agree to an International Limitation of Naval Gun Calibre
# Araki, A Popular Figure
# Japan Delays Attack on U.S.S.R.
# The Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere Includes Part of Siberia
# Active Preparations for War After Germany's Attack Upon the U.S.S.R.
# Japan Gives Germany Military Information Concerning the USSR
# Imperial Rule Assistance Association
# Total War Research Institute
# GIRETSU KUTEITAI
# Britain´s ambassador hit
# CANON is founded
# Toshiba is founded
# China sends two B-10 bombers to Nagasaki
# The League of Nations condemns Japanese actions in China
# Cooperation Under Tripartite Pact
# War tuba
# Type A Ko-hyoteki-class submarine
# Preparations for Move to the South
# Trade Scrap Metal to Japan
# Scrap Metal from the USA
# Trade Oil to Japan
# Oil from the USA
# Armed Merchant Cruisers
# Japanese Military Programmes
# Carrier Conversions
# 3146033 Japanese Submarine Production
# Manchukuo
# Partisan Events
# The Kodoha Grows Stronger
# The Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere creation
# Japanese Deployment in Indochina
# Manchukuo Defensive Line
# Chinese Collaborationist Armies
# Japanese Belligerance Corrector
# Withdrawal of the Big Three
# The Americans Are Supporting The Chinese
# National Service Draft Ordinance
# Philippines Surrender
# Wartime Fuel Conservation
# Kammon Strait tunnel
# Fortification
# Koreans in Japanese Imperial Army
# I-400-class submarine
And for people who hates a lot of texts and history, well, you have already one button to disable news of the world
I mean, I love TRP as a great challenge for every nation, but I also love a lot of flavor around...and I am sure I am not alone.
Hm. Impressive list. But i have problems with all this "battle here" and "battle of X/Y/X" events because they are very specialized and need triggers and events. In TRP you should fought your own war so i think we wont implement this "battle like events". Nevertheless the list has one or two potential ideas and candidates for new events or even decisions. I will talk with Studti. At the moment i have to rework the hole red army guards divisions and i have to the add the british colonial army events. Studti is still working on this nightmare file called NOE ^^
Small team and a lot to do.
Small team and a lot to do.
Hello. One question only. I assume this version of the game makes lesser nation more hard to play than the usual Darkest Hour does, since it is more history-based. Is that correct?
Nope. With the TRP AI it should be challenging to play TRP in general. We recommend to play with the big nations first because (USA and/or ENG for new players to "learn" how to play TRP) we are using a different combat system and an own AI. Allin all we recommend to play not with China because this is a difficult nation we had to rework or to adjust. At the moment China is optimised for AI gameplay only. But this is a special situation in TRP.
For more questions; feel free to ask.
For more questions; feel free to ask.
I understand. My favourite is Japan.
I will try this game because I like historical games.
Playing Darkest Hour with small countries leads to a halt during mid-game, caused by manpower smaller growth rates (than the first HoI2 had). I assume this is the case here too? (Will see it anyway, when I play)
I will try this game because I like historical games.
Playing Darkest Hour with small countries leads to a halt during mid-game, caused by manpower smaller growth rates (than the first HoI2 had). I assume this is the case here too? (Will see it anyway, when I play)
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Manpower is limited. Nations like Japan have events for manpower mobilization. Big nations like Japan will have enough manpower for an impressive army and to reinforce this army during battles. Small nations need more management.
@Solfall: Plz note that we don't use much content from DH Full. Many aspects of the game, especially OOB and events, have been written according to our own research. So Norway in TRP already is different compared to DH Full. Nevertheless, we'll be glad to implement some of your findings if we can make them fit.
@Vlad_Dracul1989: Thx for your proposal. We'll have a look, but as Rommal already wrote, we don't have much manpower in our small team. If there's much translation work to be done (TRP may be played in both English and German), we might still have to prioritize other projects.
@Generalmotors: I think that it's even harder in TRP than in DH Full to play minor nations. Many of them just have 1 to 5 IC, thus just one tech team, and a tiny daily manpower growth. Even more, they also lack events. I strongly recommend to play TRP as a major nation (GER, SOV, JAP, USA, ENG) or as a large minor (ITA, FRA, CAN, ROM, AUS). You should chose small minors just as an exception if they're a historical part of some alliance from early on in the game (HUN, FIN, SAF, NZL).
@Vlad_Dracul1989: Thx for your proposal. We'll have a look, but as Rommal already wrote, we don't have much manpower in our small team. If there's much translation work to be done (TRP may be played in both English and German), we might still have to prioritize other projects.
@Generalmotors: I think that it's even harder in TRP than in DH Full to play minor nations. Many of them just have 1 to 5 IC, thus just one tech team, and a tiny daily manpower growth. Even more, they also lack events. I strongly recommend to play TRP as a major nation (GER, SOV, JAP, USA, ENG) or as a large minor (ITA, FRA, CAN, ROM, AUS). You should chose small minors just as an exception if they're a historical part of some alliance from early on in the game (HUN, FIN, SAF, NZL).
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