Tribal Holding Upgrade Decision

[Des Omega]

So i started at the Old Gods dlc starting point and took it upon myself to play as the count of Cherson on the coast of the Black Sea. All's gone well so far, excessively so, with the magyars and khazaria getting absolutely destroyed, affording me the opportunity to slowly but surely conquer the duchies of Crimea and Cherson, which in turn has lead to me becoming king of Taurica.

I didn't pay much attention to it until now, but it seems every single holding i now have (save in my capital of Cherson) is a tribal one. I've looked it up and i *should* be able to convert them to castle or city holdings, depending on which buildings i have upgraded. I don't have a ton of money, but i've poured all that i do have into upgrading one county into having a stone hillfort. Yet i don't have the decision to convert the holding, and i have no clue as to why.

I should be able to; i'm orthodox, i'm not a tribal nation, i am the owner of the county and holding, the holding has a stone hillfort level 4, i've even checked technology spread to see if that's the issue, but the county has all the technology required.

The decision just doesn't appear. Is there something i'm missing?

 

[G-Flex]

Is the decision in the decision list at all under the intrigue tab? If note, it's as if the game isn't recognizing that you even have a tribal county.

 

[grisamentum]

Easy way to check: do your tribal holdings say "wrong holding penalty" anywhere on them? If so, you're already feudal.

 

[rageair]

Do you have a savegame where this is happening? The decision works fine for me, so I'd like to take a look at your situation to see if there's something odd happening.

 

[Des Omega]

Do you have a savegame where this is happening? The decision works fine for me, so I'd like to take a look at your situation to see if there's something odd happening.

I ended up building all the holdings in the county that it could hold (cost a lot of money), and then i was able to destroy the tribal holding and replace it with something else through a button that appeared next to it on the county tab. That was the only way that i could get it to go away. The decision still never appeared for me.

I ended up just restarting completely, as i encountered another bug that i had no idea how to fix. I used the Holy War cb to conquer the duchy of Azov, gaining 4 counties that were all tribal holdings. I wanted to give 3 of them to courtiers, making them vassals, but i couldn't. In the "Grant landed title" menu, the counties weren't listed, but the tribal holdings present in them were. So i could give the tribal holding to someone (the only holding in the county) but i was still the owner of the county itself. So i was effectively in control of a county without directly controlling the only holding in it. I don't know if that was actually a bug or not, but i was frustrated and decided to reinstall the game as well as start over.

After thinking about it more, I never got the "wrong holding penalty" message from tribal holdings, which to my knowledge means i was tribal. Yet i started the game as a vassal to the Byzantine Empire, which does not have any tribal vassals (as far as i know). The only thing i can think of is that the Count of Cherson at the 867 start date is considered tribal, even though he has a feudal/imperial overlord, is orthodox, and has the traditional Byzantine titles instead of the chief titles that tribal nations have.

 

[G-Flex]

As a feudal reformed pagan, I also don't get the "wrong holding penalty" for my holdings that are still tribal... not sure if that's intended, but odds are that isn't abnormal at least.