transport planes and "Rosinenbomber"

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Yes ... in that aspect theres a lack of focus/objectivity from paradox ... The AI it simply doesnt work for a GOOD single player game ... and the multiplayer doesnt seem to be high enough on Paradox wish list, soo many bad aspects in the way it works ...
ohh well ... we still have hoi 2 to solve that

 

[seattle]

Um I'm pretty sure they did suply West Berlin by air. At least that was what my understanding was from the few German people that were alive back then that I was able to talk to (read 2 or 3) Maybe they were wrong I know onld age can do things to a mind.

The air bridge is a myth, a beautiful story. It's just not the truth.

Even at the peak of the air bridge, the allies could never provide the population of West-Berlin with enough goods (food, coal, industry goods).
The situation was critical.

That's why the allied changed their strategy, they began a counter blockade of the SU.
Due to the weak economy of the SU, Stalin had to give up his blockade because trade with the west was vital for the SU.

This ended the air-bridge and from then on, West-Berlin could be supplied by land.
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The only meaning of the air-bridge was to survive the period between blockade and counter-blockade.

If the Russian economy had been stronger, they wouldn't have had to give up the blockade.
West-Berlin wouldn't have survived long with the air-bridge.

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It would be nice though if the myth was true...

 

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The air bridge is a myth, a beautiful story. It's just not the truth.

Even at the peak of the air bridge, the allies could never provide the population of West-Berlin with enough goods (food, coal, industry goods).
The situation was critical.

That's why the allied changed their strategy, they began a counter blockade of the SU.
Due to the weak economy of the SU, Stalin had to give up his blockade because trade with the west was vital for the SU.

This ended the air-bridge and from then on, West-Berlin could be supplied by land.
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The only meaning of the air-bridge was to survive the period between blockade and counter-blockade.

If the Russian economy had been stronger, they wouldn't have had to give up the blockade.
West-Berlin wouldn't have survived long with the air-bridge.

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It would be nice though if the myth was true...

You dont see the point. It doesnt matter if it did or did not work what matters is if it was attempted en masse to coincide with the scope of the game.

During the war in Africa it quickly became obvious that the germans would not be able to supply their own troops through naval support. So they switched to JU 52s instead. In one single day 300 of these planes were shot down by 10 American Fighters (the models of which i do not remember).

The problem with the AI not being able to adapt does still remain.

 

[Montemurro]

During the war in Africa it quickly became obvious that the germans would not be able to supply their own troops through naval support. So they switched to JU 52s instead. In one single day 300 of these planes were shot down by 10 American Fighters (the models of which i do not remember).

I find that hard to believe, the Germans had 881 transport planes in December 1942 and now you say they lost more than 300 in one day!?

 

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I would like to see transport planes do more than just paradrop occasionaly a para division. So - yes, definitly: transport planes should be able to help supply an army!

@ seattle
"In 72 days up until february 2nd 1943 the Luftwaffe flew about 100 tons daily into Stalingrad. That's only about 1/3 of the necessary minimum, but on their way back they managed to evacuate 24000 wounded and saved them from death or being a prisoner of war. The Luftwaffe lost during this whole operation 495 transport planes and some 1000 personnel."
From "Der Zweite Weltkrieg" by Janusz Piekalkiewicz , translated by me.

Remember there were some 260000 german soldiers in Stalingrad that had to be supplied!

Also the Berlin air Bridge was a success,although I don't have hard figures,
yet.

Regards

 

[Orthank]

Supply units with air transport

The questin is do we want to have it in HoI2 or not (don't know if developpers was thinking about that and is it possible to make or how) we gave at least three examples of huge airbridges made during war(Demiansk, Stalingrad, North Africa) and one during Cold War - but there were more of them.
It's no point to argue how many planes were shooted down, and about the effectiveness of those airbridges the point is does it not make game too complicated with to high micromanagement.

 

[Montemurro]

I think it should be possible to supply division by air, but it should be only a limited number of divisions and it should be very expensive to do so.

BTW the majority of men & supplies were carried to North Africa by ships. Air transport used way to much aviation fuel compared to their transport capacity to justify their use for long periods of time and their use was thus very limited.

 

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What matters now is that the majority support such an addition.

 

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As far as I recall, an airbridge was used to carry Franco's troops from Morocco to mainland Spain in '36.

As for the other incidents, airbridges was succesful at Demjansk and attempted at Stalingrad - therefore it should be in the game as an expensive option.

 

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Also it would make building transport planes worthwhile. The occasional paradrop is simply not enough.

Regards