Transferring Vassals

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My simple question is, is there a restriction that dukes can only be under their de jure kings?

The larger note on the subject is that this incorporation feature is really bothering me in that, for example, during the 1081 start the Kingdom of Rum often incorporates a few pieces of land into Rum from Anatolia. So, I wanted to give these vassals to their correct kingdoms, and hopefully over time correct themselves, but it doesn't allow me to. It's silly to have a kingdom in the middle of Anatolia of two counties. Furthermore, despite Rum being gone from two other areas, the countdown continues until incorporation. I've even tried destroying the title to no avail.

Is there anything you can do as emperor to eventually fix this? It really bothers me to have the kingdoms end up so random. Spain becoming a de jure part of France and so on is fine, but shouldn't there be a way to fix it? The map becomes a patch work of kingdoms, which is totally nonsensical and extremely annoying to deal with when distributing land.

 

[Dracko81]

My simple question is, is there a restriction that dukes can only be under their de jure kings?

You can not transfer a duke to a non-de jure liege. But you can grant them the counties under it if you wish.

There is little you can do to fix this as emperor, except revoke the kingdom title. And then revoke the ducal titles affected. Grant the kingdom to someone loyal and grant the duchy titles to thier de jure liege.

Can cause a bit of tyranny though.

 

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You can not transfer a duke to a non-de jure liege. But you can grant them the counties under it if you wish.

There is little you can do to fix this as emperor, except revoke the kingdom title. And then revoke the ducal titles affected. Grant the kingdom to someone loyal and grant the duchy titles to thier de jure liege.

Can cause a bit of tyranny though.

Thanks for the answer. I really hate this because there is a one duchy kingdom now. Last game I had things like Acre being apart of Egypt. You should be able to transfer vassals to anyone, and if they're a king, that land should start to slowly become apart of the kingdom they are under.

Is there any possible way to actually effect how the de jure shift works? Even if it takes 100 years, if there is a way to adjust kingdoms it would be nice. I just can't stand the patchwork mess the game becomes. I'm guessing this is only possible as a king? You can't do anything by the way you hand lands out?

 

[Yxklyx]

Yeah, this is a major pain when you have someone who is Duke of two different Duchies in two different Kingdoms. It causes Opinion penalties with vassal Kings and there's nothing you can do about it other than Tyranny.

You used to be able to so such a transfer but not since a recent patch. They should at least put in a Plot where you can assign or revoke the Duchies.