Transfer title to ally?

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Is it possible to give a title you own to an ally instead? Or, in a similar vein, transfer the vassal-liege relationship for a Count so that your ally becomes his liege? I presume this is possible by editing the save file, but is there an in-game way to do this? More to the point, is this sort of diplomatic treaty considered legal for this time period, or does it run against the dynastic structure which is at the heart of the game?

 

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Not possible for as I know. I'm sure there's a tedious and gamey procedure (I'm think of, if that ally has a specific claim on you, declaring war, sue for peace, surrender the title, then signing a new alliance; all of this with the 'byzantine' cheat), but it's not possible within the game's structures.

As for historical authenticity. I'm no specialist on medieval history (more of a modern history/metahistorian myself), but I'm sure a precedent in history can be found where this exact thing happened. The thing is, I just don't think the designers were ever aware of a player ever wanting to do this.

So I suppose you should edit the save game to make it happen.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Yes, it is not possible to grant someone outside your realm a title.

 

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OK, fair enough, I'll play it honestly. Thanks for the answers.

 

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its not even directly possible to grant a count in your realm a title, if he has a duchy over him. Its annoying. I wanted to give one of my counts (of the blood) a title to move him up the ranks of succession (2nd in line, in case my heir failed me, as he had no son). But was denied because of this. anyone else encountered this.

Not sure why OP would want to do this? give up a province? for what?

edit: yus im a Corporal now! Privates everywhere will fear me!

 

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Not sure why OP would want to do this? give up a province? for what?

Bottom line is that I'm still an EU player at heart (and a complete novice at CK). In this game, my Duke of Brandenburg has been allied with the King of England for a long time, although neither one helped the other with anything. However, I woke up when I got a message that King William had declared war against the Sheikdom of Cumberland. Then I was alarmed to see that half of Scotland and Ireland was in the hands of the Saracens. So I sent most of my army over there and managed to liberate 2 provinces, enough to create the Duchy of Galloway. Strategically, it would make a lot more sense fighting the Crusades if this Duchy, or at least one of the two Counties, were aligned with England rather than Brandenburg. So that was what motivated my question.

For your question: do you mean that if I give one of my courtiers the title of Count of Cumberland, I won't later be able to make him the Duke of Galloway? Would I have to pick a different person for the ducal title?

BTW don't let your new rank go to your head.

 

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Ah ok i understand. So you want to have ur new provinces aligned with England to try beat back the muslim onslaught? You could try to set up one of your females courtiers to marry an englishmen, then give her the titles, her son should be the new heir? (and fall into english hands when his mom leaves this earth? unless she is pagan, in which case she might become a deer or something ).

If the count is ur vassel then all good, the problem arises if you give someone else the Duchy and they take over as lord of the cumberland count. Tempest, correct me if im wrong, im still getting used to CK.

 

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So you want to have ur new provinces aligned with England to try beat back the muslim onslaught? You could try to set up one of your females courtiers to marry an englishmen, then give her the titles, her son should be the new heir? (and fall into english hands when his mom leaves this earth? unless she is pagan, in which case she might become a deer or something ).

Correct on my long range thinking, and I like your plan. That looks like something that is a normal part of the CK system and, with luck, could accomplish what I hope. Now I need to set my matchmaker to work...

 

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Ah ok i understand. So you want to have ur new provinces aligned with England to try beat back the muslim onslaught? You could try to set up one of your females courtiers to marry an englishmen, then give her the titles, her son should be the new heir? (and fall into english hands when his mom leaves this earth? unless she is pagan, in which case she might become a deer or something ).

If the count is ur vassel then all good, the problem arises if you give someone else the Duchy and they take over as lord of the cumberland count. Tempest, correct me if im wrong, im still getting used to CK.

Well marrying her to an englishman will not give him any titles ... you can never marry to get titles. The heir will get her title(s). If there are no heirs, then someone in her family (on her side) will take over. Even if the heir is english and inherits at some point he will still be your vassal.

Only way for them to transfer to England is for them to rebel, declare independence, and eventually pledge to England ... or you'll have to edit the save game file. Well third possibility is that you conquer the english crown, and then give that title away. Then all the english vassals you have will follow the new king

 

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Thats what i mean Tempest, won't her son get the titles? What about if the son already has an english count title and then inherits his mother's Brandenburg title, surely he will either be a vassel of england or Brandenburg?

 

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Thats what i mean Tempest, won't her son get the titles? What about if the son already has an english count title and then inherits his mother's Brandenburg title, surely he will either be a vassel of england or Brandenburg?

If he his primary title is as a count under the english crown, then yes, the provinces he inherits will leave Brandenburg and become part of his english realm.