Trading System is messed up...

[Alexander Seil]

Trading System

I have a major question here.

So, those numbers up in world market screen are sum of all resources offered on the market by all nations. Now, a question

For purposes of display of those numbers, would resources offered by hostile nations at war with you count? So if all nations bar Romania offer 400 oil in total and Romania offers 50, would I, as Britain, see 400 oil or 450?

It's more important than you think. Inability to buy resources from hostile nations makes sense, doesn't it?

 

[Alexander Seil]

IMPORTANT: Trading System is messed up...

Anyone is having a problem with the fact that as Japan you can buy all oil and rubber you want??? And other things like that. Or that technically it's possible to buy oil and rubber even from people you are at war with because trading system dumps all offered resources into one pile. I dunno, manual mentions trade agreements but they didn't make it into game. Any chance for that in 1.02? Trade system as of now is horrible (the game is still fun tho ).

 

[unmerged(11217)]

i play germany and before the grate war whit russia that started 1939 i had almost 99999 in rubber....i had 99999 in oil, iron and coal....but now after the war i have like 30000 in rubber...i got huge industry resorces and those are taking all my rubber....and i try to trade for more but then my other resorces is starting to dropp...well i could go down to 5k before i start closeing down the rubber shop...

 

[Jon Shafer]

IMO, the whole trade system is a bit off.

 

[Vynd]

Originally posted by Trip
IMO, the whole trade system is a bit off.

Yeah, no kidding. I can't get it to work at all. I make my trade offers, but I can't tell if they're accepted or rejected, except by trying to gauge things from what happens to my stockpiles. Apparently they are being rejected, because it looks like the only rubber I'm getting comes from conversion of oil and, once that runs out, from conversion of coal into oil into rubber. I'm playing as Italy and after I burn through my initial stocks I can't even muster 40 ICs a day. This really sucks.

 

[Maximilian I]

Originally posted by Alexander Seil
Anyone is having a problem with the fact that as Japan you can buy all oil and rubber you want??? And other things like that. Or that technically it's possible to buy oil and rubber even from people you are at war with because trading system dumps all offered resources into one pile. I dunno, manual mentions trade agreements but they didn't make it into game. Any chance for that in 1.02? Trade system as of now is horrible (the game is still fun tho ).

Originally posted by Vynd
Yeah, no kidding. I can't get it to work at all. I make my trade offers, but I can't tell if they're accepted or rejected, except by trying to gauge things from what happens to my stockpiles. Apparently they are being rejected, because it looks like the only rubber I'm getting comes from conversion of oil and, once that runs out, from conversion of coal into oil into rubber. I'm playing as Italy and after I burn through my initial stocks I can't even muster 40 ICs a day. This really sucks.

there`s an overview in the ledger, that lists your daily trade income/expenses.

trade offers are not accepted/rejected. depending on the resource stockpile in the "world market" and other nations bids you will receive all, a part or none of the resources you traded for. even if you receive nothing, your expenses will stay the same. if at war your trade will be seriously reduced.

 

[unmerged(3352)]

Thats not the point. If you are in a war as Japan or Germany against UK/US you should not be able to trade anything, period.

The way it is now is ludicrous. Germany and Japan is bathing in oil and rubber. So what if the prize rises? Germany has gazillion tons of coal in surplus every month.

My suggestion:
All offers on the world market is automatically cancelled when you are at war.

It then becomes up to the player to either secure trade agreements with nations that have the desired resources (and convoy those resources home...good luck Germany and Japan), conquer provinces that produce the desired resources, OR you have to live with the exchange rate your tech level can give you (something like 3 oil for 1 rubber, cant remember exactly).

 

[Johan]

Well..

IF you are at war, you do NOT gain all the resources from a trade deal.

You pay full price, but you get a fraction of what you trade for.

 

[unmerged(1345)]

Re: IMPORTANT: Trading System is messed up...

Originally posted by Alexander Seil
Anyone is having a problem with the fact that as Japan you can buy all oil and rubber you want??? And other things like that. Or that technically it's possible to buy oil and rubber even from people you are at war with because trading system dumps all offered resources into one pile. I dunno, manual mentions trade agreements but they didn't make it into game. Any chance for that in 1.02? Trade system as of now is horrible (the game is still fun tho ).

Actually, in WWII, the Axis nations did trade with the Allies in resources, even if it was done covertly. Read Higam's "Trading with the Enemy" for the full inside story on how all the major corporations (especially the oil companies) in USA continued to do business with Germany after 1941. . .

 

[unmerged(3352)]

Johan,

Yes, but I guess my main concern is how does those resources get from the "seller" to the home country?

The way it is now it is impossible to cut the supply lines for a nation. That nation simply needs to buy his resources from the world market, and they instanty appear in the home country.

At least force the nations to convoy their resources home.

 

[unmerged(11827)]

Re: Re: IMPORTANT: Trading System is messed up...

Originally posted by The Federalist
Actually, in WWII, the Axis nations did trade with the Allies in resources, even if it was done covertly. Read Higam's "Trading with the Enemy" for the full inside story on how all the major corporations (especially the oil companies) in USA continued to do business with Germany after 1941. . .

After Pearl Harbor 1941? Maybe, *maybe* before that, but after it just sounds like a load of rubbish.

EDIT: Well USA wasnt in war with Germany right after Pearl Harbor. Germany declared war afterwards (Cant remember the date) to US so she was still neutral in war against Germany after PH which means there might be som trading.

 

[grumbold]

Re: Re: Re: IMPORTANT: Trading System is messed up...

Originally posted by Zakhal
After Pearl Harbor 1941? Maybe, *maybe* before that, but after it just sounds like a load of rubbish.

EDIT: Well USA wasnt in war with Germany right after Pearl Harbor. Germany declared war afterwards (Cant remember the date) to US so she was still neutral in war against Germany after PH which means there might be som trading.

Germany spent a lot of time, effort and money (gold) ensuring a continued flow of supplies from all parts of the world, through as many dummy corporations and neutral nations as it took. Some companies and nations knew exactly what was going on, others pretended not to know, but few were completely innocent. When the price is high enough, there's always someone prepared to make a deal.

 

[KungMarkatta]

It would be cool if you, as England for example, could bomb Germanys 99999 stockpile of OIL and RUBBER...

 

[BiB]

When ur at war ur deals only yield half what they're supposed to, that's symbolic for that and that's about it.

 

[Vynd]

Well that's kinda lame, but for a kludge I guess it is good enough. Still, somebody has to say it and it might as well be me: How were we supposed to know this since neither the manual nor any of the in-game help says squat about it?

 

[unmerged(1345)]

Re: Re: Re: IMPORTANT: Trading System is messed up...

Originally posted by Zakhal
After Pearl Harbor 1941? Maybe, *maybe* before that, but after it just sounds like a load of rubbish.

EDIT: Well USA wasnt in war with Germany right after Pearl Harbor. Germany declared war afterwards (Cant remember the date) to US so she was still neutral in war against Germany after PH which means there might be som trading.

Yup, after 1941, and throughout the war. I won't go into details. But many companies continued to sell oil, steel, etc to Germany through "dummy" companies set-up in other countries in South America, and in "neutral" nations in Europe.

In 1942, it got so bad that the US Congress had to pass the "Trading with the Enemy Act" to stop American businesses from trading with Germany. Many companies were seized by the US government.

Money knows no loyalty. . .

Read "Trading with the Enemy". It's an eye-opener. . .

 

[unmerged(5797)]

Originally posted by BiB
When ur at war ur deals only yield half what they're supposed to, that's symbolic for that and that's about it.

In other words: knock it off.

 

[The Andy-Man]

Dson't letting countries buy straight from the woprld market destroy the whole point of naval blockade and half the point of having a navy in the first place?

 

[grumbold]

Originally posted by The Andy-Man
Dson't letting countries buy straight from the woprld market destroy the whole point of naval blockade and half the point of having a navy in the first place?

Halving the rate you get back is symbolic of your enemies trying to do this. Ok its not brilliant, but it takes a certain kind of mind to be interested in sneaking oil shipments through blocades when your troops are in the process of fighting Barbarossa....

 

[The Andy-Man]

Halving the rate you get back is symbolic of your enemies trying to do this. Ok its not brilliant, but it takes a certain kind of mind to be interested in sneaking oil shipments through blocades when your troops are in the process of fighting Barbarossa....

The whole point about navalism is your oponents don't get anything. %50 is no where near enough, i should be down to just %10 of what you ordered, or worse. Otherwise, there is no point in haviong a navy unless you plan major overseas interventions.