trading excess TC

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Ok, the following situation has cropped up in my on&off game as the UK (been playin that for 3 weeks now ).

Anyway, after the Axis is defeated, germany gets partitioned ... I have most of western germany, the soviets have the GDR (minus Berlin and Potsdam), the US get the Rhineland ... after 2.5 years of peace the US decides they've had enough and DoW the Comintern ... my troops get steamrollered ... the US stands by and doesn't do a thing until soviet troops reach the rhineland ... then they do a bit of fighting, fresh UK troops regain the initiative ... the US troops go back into hibernation ... so I take military control over them ... somewhere in the area of the Dnjepr my combined US&UK offensive grinds to a halt because my TC is not able to reenforce and supply my troops effectively ... but that's ok.

Meanwhile I'm supplying 2/3 of the US landforces and the US has a MAJOR surplus of TC back home.

Now I was wondering, wouldn't it make sense if the US was able to lend some of it's TC to their allies (i.e. Me) ? Afterall they are US boys that are starving in the Ukraine because of MY lack of TC ... wouldn't the US be interested to help their own troops out by giving me locomotives, river-barges, trucks etc. ? Could open an entire new field of exploits ... but the Americans were already willing to trust me with the life of their soldiers, a supply corps or two wouldn't make that much of a differnece to them, would it ?

 

[iBaLkiD]

Ok, the following situation has cropped up in my on&off game as the UK (been playin that for 3 weeks now ).

Anyway, after the Axis is defeated, germany gets partitioned ... I have most of western germany, the soviets have the GDR (minus Berlin and Potsdam), the US get the Rhineland ... after 2.5 years of peace the US decides they've had enough and DoW the Comintern ... my troops get steamrollered ... the US stands by and doesn't do a thing until soviet troops reach the rhineland ... then they do a bit of fighting, fresh UK troops regain the initiative ... the US troops go back into hibernation ... so I take military control over them ... somewhere in the area of the Dnjepr my combined US&UK offensive grinds to ahault becuase my TC is not able to reenforce and supply my troops effectively ... but that's ok.

Meanwhile I'm supplying 2/3 of the US landforces and the US has a MAJOR surplus of TC back home.

Now I was wondering, wouldn't it make sense if the US was able to lend some of it's TC to their allies (i.e. Me) ? Afterall they are US boys that are starving in the Ukraine because of MY lack of TC ... wouldn't the US be interested to help their own troops out by giving me locomotives, river-barges, trucks etc. ? Could open an entire new field of exploits ... but the Americans were already willing to trust me with the life of their soldiers, a supply corps or two wouldn't make that much of a differnece to them, would it ?

Ugh, i hate that as well. Uber frustrating.

 

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makes sense....you could even take it another extreme. When you take miltary control of an ally, you get their T.C in its entirety..since you are now controlling their military. Just a thought...

 

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How would the UK in this example get the benefit of using the railroads in the Continental US? That would be a big part of the USA's TC.

While some changes might be sensible, getting all of their TC is not one of them. Having supply constraints as the Allies advance over UK controlled territory does not sound unreasonable to me.

I don't know how fungible (exchangeable) something like TC could really be. There was a limit as to how far the Redball Express could carry operations forward. That left Ike with one avenue (Patton or Monty) and he choose Market Garden. It took quite a while for the ally's TC to build up after all the strategic bombing prior to D day that destroyed railroads. Shipping in stuff via Marseilles was faster because that area was not bombed.

Getting part of your ally's TC to help move things along is an interesting idea, but how to do it in game terms and how much of an exploit it could become make me reluctant to support the idea.

Suggest it in the Enhancements forum if you think it's a good idea.

 

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How would the UK in this example get the benefit of using the railroads in the Continental US? That would be a big part of the USA's TC.

While some changes might be sensible, getting all of their TC is not one of them. Having supply constraints as the Allies advance over UK controlled territory does not sound unreasonable to me.

I don't know how fungible (exchangeable) something like TC could really be. There was a limit as to how far the Redball Express could carry operations forward. That left Ike with one avenue (Patton or Monty) and he choose Market Garden. It took quite a while for the ally's TC to build up after all the strategic bombing prior to D day that destroyed railroads. Shipping in stuff via Marseilles was faster because that area was not bombed.

Getting part of your ally's TC to help move things along is an interesting idea, but how to do it in game terms and how much of an exploit it could become make me reluctant to support the idea.

Suggest it in the Enhancements forum if you think it's a good idea.

Oh, I wasn't suggesting that I get 100% of the US's TC ... every little bit would help ... even getting only 20 TC from the US would at least improve the situation
and I wasn't thinking of the continental US railway-system, more like the actual Waggons and locomotives, trucks (+drivers), transport-ships etc.

My Russian campaign took place after 2.5 years of peace ... the soviets weren't hampered by destruction when going the other way ... as it currently stands the Red Ball express isn't doing diddly, they don't need to, all of the US's troops in Europe are a burden on MY TC

I don't really want to open a new thread, so maybe one of the mods could move it to the enhancements suggestions ?

 

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I think you have to suggest it yourself there. Just keep it short and simple.

One other thought would be the ability to build a supply dump at a high IC cost such as 3x the cost of supply. Then you could deploy the dump in a forward area and it would add temporarily to the TC. But again I don't know how the game engine would handle something like this.

 

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I'm just tossing ideas around, but how about you have a TC stockpile for the alliance. Say when you join an alliance, something like 10-20% of your TC becomes available for the entire alliance to use. This would represent your countries comitment to the overall war effort. This pool of TC can be used by any in the alliance that require it, or better yet is managed by the alliance leader and alotted based on request. I'm sure this goes beyond the ability of the game engine but its just a thought, its just inconceivable that countries like the UK and USA cannot share some of each others burden when it comes to TC.

 

[JASGripen]

I can see Monthy and Patton handing over their supply resources to each other. Not!

 

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I can see Monthy and Patton handing over their supply resources to each other. Not!

TC is not supplies or oil, it's logistics
And yes England and the USA shared this burden during the war. As did most other allies.