Trading cities should be in subjects tab

[Froonk]

Seriously, they are so outdated as a mechanic. They are clearly not meant to be subjects to anyone else but the trade league leader as it is impossible to diplo-vassalize them but because they are from earlier versions of EU4 and weren't made after tributaries they are still accepting becoming tributaries which makes them leave the trade league. This is such an easily fixed oversight but haven't been fixed for 4 years.

 

[The Norman Yoke]

Seriously, they are so outdated as a mechanic. They are clearly not meant to be subjects to anyone else but the trade league leader as it is impossible to diplo-vassalize them but because they are from earlier versions of EU4 and weren't made after tributaries they are still accepting becoming tributaries which makes them leave the trade league. This is such an easily fixed oversight but haven't been fixed for 4 years.

Theyre not subjects so why would they be in the subjects tab

 

[Froonk]

Theyre not subjects so why would they be in the subjects tab

Because they are not meant to accept being tributaries which makes them leave the trade league. As they were when introduced clearly meant to not be taken in any way but conquest.

 

[Republic of Mercury]

Because they are not meant to accept being tributaries which makes them leave the trade league. As they were when introduced clearly meant to not be taken in any way but conquest.

But what's the relevance of putting them in the subjects tab? An actual solution would be to make trading-cities (and perhaps other trade-league members) unwilling to become tributaries, or allow tributaries to be members of trade-leagues. Though probably not a trade-league led by their overlord.

 

[Froonk]

But what's the relevance of putting them in the subjects tab? An actual solution would be to make trading-cities (and perhaps other trade-league members) unwilling to become tributaries, or allow tributaries to be members of trade-leagues. Though probably not a trade-league led by their overlord.

As far as I understand states stop accept being tributaries once they are considered subjects otherwise. Moreover if tributaries are subjects, so should be trading cities as they serve similar purposes.

 

[The Norman Yoke]

As far as I understand states stop accept being tributaries once they are considered subjects otherwise. Moreover if tributaries are subjects, so should be trading cities as they serve similar purposes.

But they dont serve similar purposes

 

[Froonk]

But they dont serve similar purposes

They practically do, they are essentially little states you have to defend that provide you with economic benefit to do so, mainly in terms of trade league leader bonuses as they scale with amount of members and as game progresses there are going to be less and less natural OPMs for you to invite to a trade league. Tributaries also provide other bonuses such as manpower, monarch points and such. That's however an argument for why trading cities should be under subjects tab, and should possibly provide other bonuses that you can choose exclusively like tributaries.

Some people even suggested they should be total subjects like vassals, though I am personally against this and I don't mind they get into alliances and wars otherwise. However them immediately accepting tributary is really annoying. Merchant republics are already weak and outdated, adding a few more bonuses and perks to trading cities which are exclusive to them would help them a lot.

 

[Republic of Mercury]

They practically do, they are essentially little states you have to defend that provide you with economic benefit to do so, mainly in terms of trade league leader bonuses as they scale with amount of members and as game progresses there are going to be less and less natural OPMs for you to invite to a trade league. Tributaries also provide other bonuses such as manpower, monarch points and such. That's however an argument for why trading cities should be under subjects tab, and should possibly provide other bonuses that you can choose exclusively like tributaries.

You don't need to defend a trading city if you just keep it encircled in your own land.

 

[The Norman Yoke]

They practically do, they are essentially little states you have to defend that provide you with economic benefit to do so, mainly in terms of trade league leader bonuses as they scale with amount of members and as game progresses there are going to be less and less natural OPMs for you to invite to a trade league. Tributaries also provide other bonuses such as manpower, monarch points and such. That's however an argument for why trading cities should be under subjects tab, and should possibly provide other bonuses that you can choose exclusively like tributaries.

Some people even suggested they should be total subjects like vassals, though I am personally against this and I don't mind they get into alliances and wars otherwise. However them immediately accepting tributary is really annoying. Merchant republics are already weak and outdated, adding a few more bonuses and perks to trading cities which are exclusive to them would help them a lot.

Tributaries represent forms of government more common outside of Europe than within. Trading cities represent city state alliances and coalitions.
You can have large or small tributaries, trading cities have to remain OPMs.

Trading cities as subjects because tributaries are subjects and you can do lots to tributaries that you cant do to trading cities makes no logical sense

 

[Froonk]

Tributaries represent forms of government more common outside of Europe than within. Trading cities represent city state alliances and coalitions.
You can have large or small tributaries, trading cities have to remain OPMs.

Trading cities as subjects because tributaries are subjects and you can do lots to tributaries that you cant do to trading cities makes no logical sense

Trading cities are practically subjects, you seem confused in what they are. We are not talking about cities you invite to trade league, which is city-state alliances and coalitions. We are talking about provinces that merchant republics release from their own territory as satellites that will never leave your trade league and will refuse vassalization even if the conditions are met otherwise. They likely didn't add them as subjects when they were introduced because then only direct subjects with no independent actions were in subjects tab, while tributaries are not direct subjects and still pursue their own politics.

Explain, in simplest terms, why do you think that Paradox made it so city-states won't accept vassalization but will accept becoming tributaries? I am not sure why you are so hellbent on defending a clear oversight that was made because one feature was added after another, much like plenty of other features that went by in long development of this game. If by some chance they added trading cities after they introduced tributaries, they would have made trading cities also not accept becoming tributaries, as how they refuse vassalization. As I said it is common that people argue they should be direct subjects, let alone being like tributaries, while I think they should representatively be your satellites, still able to get into alliances and the like but shouldn't accept becoming tributaries, much like how they don't accept vassalization.

You don't need to defend a trading city if you just keep it encircled in your own land.

I know this, but this is an inelegant and ugly solution. Especially when this is such an easy thing for Paradox to fix but haven't in such a long time. Thankfully they fixed some other issues with trading cities recently, like them acquiring territory and leaving the trade league. Which is why I made this thread as it seems they want to fix the glaring issues regarding trading cities.