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Hi All,

Had the game a week and I honestly can't believe how good it is. Loving it!

My question is related to trade, I have watched a few guides online but when sending my trade ships, am I best to just send them to the place where I get the most profit according to the tool tip or should I send somewhere else?

Also as an aside, I am playing as France and have taken Brittany and annexed and took the opportunity of the war of the Roses in England to declare war on England to get them off of mainland Europe. I have taken all their provinces as well as the Portuguese who were allied yet I don't have enough warscore to annex all the provinces. My warscore is ticking up, so do I just wait?

Again, great game Paradox, I've got all the DLCs and I am absolutely loving it, keep up the good work!
 

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It can be worth it as France to leave one province the English own in France and use that as the wargoal for repeated future wars against them, as that way they have to come to you and not just sit behind their navy and the channel.

Anyway, trade - for now, put them buffing the genoa node trade share - Bordeax has only two outcomes - collect or pay forward, and after nevarra gets annexed by castile/aragon/spain/you nobody should be collecting from it. Later on once the colonial trade nodes open up and get flowing, you'll want your ships out in the nodes that have the option to steer into bordeaux.
 

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you can wreck the enemy trade while sustaining a small loss of income(compared to what you could make if you max it), the possibilities are only limited by the end nodes and the natural flowing of trade preset
 

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when sending my trade ships, am I best to just send them to the place where I get the most profit according to the tool tip or should I send somewhere else?
If I recall, some of the trade tooltips (not sure which ones) are inaccurate so it might be unwise to use them for decisions.

I agree with TerrorSnail. Until colonisation has really kicked in you want all your trade ships in Genoa if profit is your goal. Consider also using some light ships to pirate the English Channel node.

Also as an aside, I am playing as France and have taken Brittany and annexed and took the opportunity of the war of the Roses in England to declare war on England to get them off of mainland Europe. I have taken all their provinces as well as the Portuguese who were allied yet I don't have enough warscore to annex all the provinces. My warscore is ticking up, so do I just wait?
You cannot take more than 100% warscore of provinces. Wait for the wargoal to tick up.
 

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Well:
-The indicator that says how much money you will get is not to be trusted.
-You should chain your Trade. For every merchant steering you get your overhaul money multiplied. You should also collect only in your Home Node, where the chain should end.
-Make your fleets protect trade in your Home Node or (what doesn't seem to be the case, but still worth mentioning) if you have a hole in your chain (A node that is on your way, but you don't have >70% trade power there) you can send it there to not waste money.
 

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My question is related to trade, I have watched a few guides online but when sending my trade ships, am I best to just send them to the place where I get the most profit according to the tool tip or should I send somewhere else?

The trade steering tooltip is utterly worthless - don't rely on it at all. The pirate one is ok-ish if memory serves.

Note that trade ships have a minuscule contribution to trade in the early game: a 20 development coastal (+25%) center of trade (+10) province with a market place (+50%), burghers (+50%), and the trade edict (+50%) will produce (20 * .2 + 10) + 175% = 38.5 trade power, or more if you factor in mercantilism. Point being, you need to send at least 20 barques to a node to get the same amount of trade power of one key province. It's barely worth it, especially considering how they'll quickly get destroyed the moment you declare war.

As early game France you're usually better off disbanding the trade ships (in port, to recover the manpower) and build enough heavies to defeat England's fleet, plus transports to land your troops.

FWIW I seldom find it worth sending trade ships to steer unless the node is:

- African West Coast (if you're able to collect downstream)
- Caribbean and American East Coast (if you're able to collect downstream)
- Aden (if you don't control each of Alexandria, Oman, and Zanzibar)
- Malacca (if you don't control both Bengal and Zanzibar)
- Lübeck (if you control English Channel but not Lübeck)
- Alexandria (if you control Venice and/or Genoa but not Constantinople)
- Ragusa when it's rich (if you control Venice and/or Genoa but not Austria)

What they have in common is powerful trade nodes downstream, lots of ducats potentially going through them, and those ducats probably going to your rivals if you're not steering. With that being said you're always better off controlling the land.

Even the three end nodes are not worth sending trade ships to. If you're not sharing the node you don't need the ships, and if you're sharing the node it only makes temporary sense until you destroy who you're sharing it with - because whoever you're sharing it with will eventually catch you off guard and steer with tons of frigates.

Outside of these nodes you're basically wasting 20 ducats (plus maintenance) on trade ships that will earn you a mere fraction of a ducat per month, and will need to be upgraded or rebuilt (after they die to an enemy galley or heavy) for more than they've ever earned you. And even in those nodes... frankly, just conquer the relevant land and call it a day. Just mind the aggressive expansion as you do.

Also as an aside, I am playing as France and have taken Brittany and annexed and took the opportunity of the war of the Roses in England to declare war on England to get them off of mainland Europe. I have taken all their provinces as well as the Portuguese who were allied yet I don't have enough warscore to annex all the provinces. My warscore is ticking up, so do I just wait?

You can just wait until you get the 25 ticking war score related to your war goal and make peace. Don't make a separate peace with Portugal - your war score will take a
hit if you do. You'll need to leave England a province. Prefer to leave a fort, else you'll get the wretched -1000 for demanding X without controlling a fort in the area during your next war and end up needing to disembark troops in England.
 
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All great advice thanks very much. I've basically set it up as described. I'm looking to get into Genoa so will move my capital there tonight and take over that node, steering all trade into it.

I beat England off of mainland Europe which was great and left Calais for the reasons you said for future wars. Next.............. Aragon.

I always feel like I'm rushing to get everything done in this game and tend to move to fast yet I play a whole night and do about 20 years tops so no idea why I rush.
 

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when sending your merchants to trade node you can use some kind of formula until you understand how it works absolutly
1)Check total trade value of node
2)Check percantage of trade power you got there
3)That percantage is how much of that trade value you can take from there.

there are many more factors... but for start its good :D