Will it be possible to trade technology?
Like Japan and Germany did? Secret weapons in exchage for ressources e.g....
Like Japan and Germany did? Secret weapons in exchage for ressources e.g....
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I can't say for sure but it would be good to have it in the game. The biggest example I can think of was the germans giving the Italians the DB engine that they then used to produce a string of good quality fighters with.
It would have to be limited in some way otherwise it would be too rampant, but how to do that?
It would have to be limited in some way otherwise it would be too rampant, but how to do that?
Mmmhh.... This a dangerous thing....
Think if Italy got all the German and Japanese technologies.....(FW-190&ME-262 in the air, Tigers on the ground and Yamato class ships and carriers at sea! WOW!!
Maybe it can be simulated by a research bonus if a country's allied are more devloped in that field...
Think if Italy got all the German and Japanese technologies.....(FW-190&ME-262 in the air, Tigers on the ground and Yamato class ships and carriers at sea! WOW!!
Maybe it can be simulated by a research bonus if a country's allied are more devloped in that field...
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Hmmm
Well, first of all, german/japanese u-boats have to reach the others realm... not easy.. eh...
Well, first of all, german/japanese u-boats have to reach the others realm... not easy.. eh...
Hmmm
I just have read that prototype thread....
So if technology trade then like this:
Tech level 3 in exchange for 200 steel e.g.
I just have read that prototype thread....
So if technology trade then like this:
Tech level 3 in exchange for 200 steel e.g.
Perhaps certain technologies should be closely linked to military doctrines? Example of Italy is a valid one---just because they "know" how to make, say Königtigers, shouldn't mean that they are able to mass-produce let alone use them efficiently in combat.
Interesting idea. I know that the Germans sent quite a bit of technology to Japan and the Japanese built these new weapons, or made a new weapon based off of the German ideas. At first, the Germans transported their information and weapons to Japan via the Trans-Siberian Railroad. But, obviously, this could not be used any more after Barbarossa. Several more routes were invented. Some ships sailed all the way around Africa and that route. I believe when their supplies were checked out in India, some Indian Nazi's searched it and said they didn't find anything suspicious (Though they really did see all of the German weapons) and then the ships continued on to Japan. More German ships travelled north, around Russia and went on an Arctic Route. This became a route for airliners destined for Japan after World War II. Some pilots flew all the way across Asia with supplies to Japan also. In the end, I believe Hitler gathered all of (or most of) the technology that he could get to send to Japan to use to continue fighting the Allies, since Germany was soon to surrender.
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This is a great and very useful idea! I am sure that implementing it in the diplomacy window cannot be difficult (just as in Civ III).
On the other hand, I wonder how the AI could realistically and handle this with keeping game-balance also in mind.
This is a great and very useful idea! I am sure that implementing it in the diplomacy window cannot be difficult (just as in Civ III).
On the other hand, I wonder how the AI could realistically and handle this with keeping game-balance also in mind.
Probably Paradox will make some technologies very expensive to be traded, but frankly I don't see problems about an Italian license-built Jumo-004B jet engine: Germany sold the projects of Daimler-Benz DB601 (Alfa-Romeo RA.1000 Monsone) and DB605 (Fiat RA.1050 Tifone) to Italy (and would have sold also the DB603 if Italy hadn't surrendered) and the DB601 (Kawasaki Ha-40) to Japan, and then also the Jumo-004B to Japan. Some Japanese guns were based on German projects. The motor-jet engine of the Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka mod.22 was from an Italian project of ing.Secondo Campini. Probably a whole license-built airplane or tank should be too much (but Japan built the Me 163 as Mitsubishi J8M Shusui and I've read that Hungary built the Bf 109G), but the licenses of engines and guns must be exchangeable. Moreover, as told by Tuna, a nation that hasn't enough resources, skilled workers and factories to build a Tiger or a Me 262 will not be able to build them in large numbers, even with the license. But I hope we will be able of sell weapons to our allies; for example Germany gave 31 Tiger tanks to Italy in summer of 1943, during 1942 Germany gave also some radars to Italy, and the destroyers "Oriani" and "Legionario" were fitted with them, in 1945 pilots of the ANR (Aeronautica Nazionale Repubblicana = National Republican Air Force of the Fascist Italian govern of Mussolini) were training on the Messerschmitt Me 163 Komet in Germany: ultra-modern weapons were sold (or exchanged) during WW2.
Probably Paradox will make some technologies very expensive to be traded, but frankly I don't see problems
ultra-modern weapons were sold (or exchanged) during WW2.
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That could be a practical soltuion. I agree that trading a technology must be very high concerning costs. The only problem is that as far as I know there will be NO money in HOI only production capacity. However, this problem can be overcome if the offered price is defined in military units, industrial capacity or simply goods. All of them should be transported by ship if no direct land connection exist between the two parties.
ultra-modern weapons were sold (or exchanged) during WW2.
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That could be a practical soltuion. I agree that trading a technology must be very high concerning costs. The only problem is that as far as I know there will be NO money in HOI only production capacity. However, this problem can be overcome if the offered price is defined in military units, industrial capacity or simply goods. All of them should be transported by ship if no direct land connection exist between the two parties.
What's more Hungary also built Me-210 and -410 as well!
I agree, moreover during WW2 most of the exchanges were made using resources. And Italy, for example, may also send workers to Germany in exchange of technologies or weapons.
I knew they used a lot of them, but not that they built them also. Very interesting. Thanks!
That is one more step ahaead. Yes, giving manpower as an exchange is a reative and historically also realistic idea. I hope that Paradox realizes it, too.
I agree. Maybe Chiang Kai-shek will trade away some of his manpower for technology so that his army can fight better against the Japanese.
Actually, that would be quite interesting. He could give it to Germany and they would have thousands of extra men to invade Britain. And Chiang would have better armed troops.Meiji-Tenno
Germany did sail some airplanes and akas to Japan, in cargo subs. But in most cases they only sailed with the drawings and some other rare thing the Japs needed.
The sailing route north of Russia I have never heard about, and I doubt they would have used it because of the danger from ice. But there were several attemts to fly across Russia during the war.
The sailing route north of Russia I have never heard about, and I doubt they would have used it because of the danger from ice. But there were several attemts to fly across Russia during the war.
Originally posted by Meiji-Tenno
I agree. Maybe Chiang Kai-shek will trade away some of his manpower for technology so that his army can fight better against the Japanese.
Meiji-Tenno
I meant here not only troops in exchange but manpower in HOI terms. That is a quite realistic idea.
Yes, that's what I meant. The manpower that you speak of is the same type as in EUII, correct? Since China will have high manpower (From population) I was saying that they could trade it for weapons and technology, so that they could better equip their army.
Meiji-Tenno
If you send workers to another country doesn't it free up more natives for the amred forces and wouldn't it reduce the number of people avaible for your army? Obviously Japan sending workers to Germany would be rather problimatic on the reality scale but it could work.
Yes, I know. Mostly blueprints and everything. In the end they transported a submarine full of them, I believe.
I once saw on a documentary about Germany trading technology and supplies with Japan in WWII, that showed the Arctic Route. It does sound dangerous though. But, it said that it was used as a route for European airliners going to Japan after World War II. Did I say they sailed?
Sorry.. I didn't remember if they sailed or flew. Probably flew because, as you pointed out, it would be dangerous for ships. And it was used as an airplane route later, so it probably started out as one too. Meiji-Tenno
With reality I am also concerned. But it could be done in a way that it remains a possibility although not hurting gam-balance or historical reality. For instance, gaining manpower from another country raises the population dissent significantly (jobs lost, etc.)
Raisign manpower this way is a minefield in the game you have the game balancing aspect which you mention, but there is also the fact that there should be a maximum ammount of manpower you can gain this way (after all there are onyl so many workers you can substitue this way). However at first the glance the system seems to allow unlimited man power reaised this way.