Trade routes?

[Kubusta]

How the trade exactly works? Are there any trade routes at all? And how about inland trading?

Trade DD says "Getting resources from another nation requires convoys, and it is always the buyer of goods that has to provide the convoys. Of course, this is all done automatically."

So I would like to know 3 things.

1. If I am playing Japan and I am trading resources with Germany or if Germany sends me equipment, can I somehow find out how many convoys is needed for that and what route do they take? Can my enemy find out what and where to block with his ships to block these resources? (if not hunting for convoys)

2. Inland trading cannot be stopped anyhow, is that correct?

3. If sending equipment to my ally, does it behave same as trade resources? (overseas-convoys, inland-"invisible trucks") ?

Thanks for clearing this for me lads

 

[Timmetie]

I would like to know this too!

And if we're talking about this anyways, there is something about supply that isn't yet totally clear to me.

An area has a certain amount of supply, meaning the total amount of supplies that can be given and those supplies are measured in equipment (correct?).

So what about "local" supply. Say I have troops cut off from any ports but they do have a few victory points or a whole province etc, in short they still have local supply. Are those equipment pieces still getting removed from the reserve? Do they still move there? Do they move by ship to the nearest province and 'teleport' from there?

 

[Ibn_Solmyr]

I think it's one of the few key things that devs had said they would explain further but unless I did miss the answers, we still wait and will have to wait until release.

 

[Kubusta]

I think it's one of the few key things that devs had said they would explain further but unless I did miss the answers, we still wait and will have to wait until release.

Yea, I don't think there is any answer on this, I've tried to search for it but with no success and the dev diary does not say much about trading. I know that trading in HOI 3 was not good much, so I was really interested in how does it work in HOI IV. And in streams they don't say much about it as well..

@Timmetie I don't know how this "local supply" works as well. I would appreciate an official answer or an answer from a veteran player who may know how these things work.

Perhaps @BjornB, @Da9L or @podcat know?

 

[Timmetie]

Yea I was wondering if you really had to guard the entire coastline or if you could get away with just guarding the ports.

But if they get local supply that means they can just forge inwards and conquer more supply without every touching a port.

 

[Kubusta]

any ideas somebody? O please

 

[potski]

1. If I am playing Japan and I am trading resources with Germany or if Germany sends me equipment, can I somehow find out how many convoys is needed for that and what route do they take?

The trade screen shows the buyer how many convoys they will require before they confirm the trade. Once it is confirmed they see the route on the map.

2. Inland trading cannot be stopped anyhow, is that correct?

Correct. Overland trade is abstracted.

3. If sending equipment to my ally, does it behave same as trade resources? (overseas-convoys, inland-"invisible trucks") ?

Trading resources, getting your own resources from your colonies back to your capital, lend-lease and sending supplies to your forces overseas all operate the same way.

An area has a certain amount of supply, meaning the total amount of supplies that can be given and those supplies are measured in equipment (correct?).

No, supplies are not equipment.

So what about "local" supply. Say I have troops cut off from any ports but they do have a few victory points or a whole province etc, in short they still have local supply. Are those equipment pieces still getting removed from the reserve? Do they still move there?

You can get some supplies locally, but you need a route from your capital to transport equipment. Troops overseas need access to a port.

 

[Timmetie]

You can get some supplies locally, but you need a route from your capital to transport equipment. Troops overseas need access to a port.

Ehm, but they didn't seem to need any in sweden. Also when you check what's said about supply they said there was local supply separate from ports. Ports only seemed to be an extra.

And supplies are not equipment? But equipment/supplies still need to be shipped in convoys right? If equipment isn't shipped, what is?

 

[Timmetie]

I mean, this is from the supply dev diary:

"Moving, training, fighting, being in bad weather or in particular in bad supply means equipment breaks down and this equipment needs to be shipped. The worse a supply situation is the longer it will take to send equipment and the more attrition you will take."

 

[Bridger15]

From the wiki:

Overseas trade requires convoys, which are vulnerable to enemy action.

 

[Kubusta]

@potski Thanks a lot for your answer! It makes it clearer for me!
It would be nice though if there was a possibility in the future to block a trade even when it is inland.