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I am playing a game as France I have a stranglehold on Genoa. I made that my trade city and push all my trade there. My question is I control several provinces in the english channel zones but I am not ever going to collect there is it still worth building the trade power buildings just to reduce England's income?
 

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If you really get a stranglehold on Genoa, you should move your home node to English Channel and collect in Genoa (you need to be able to still dominate it even with the penalty). Then trade buildings and centers of trade obviously matter a lot.

But to directly answer the question, no, if you’re not collecting in the channel you don’t need to worry about your trade power there. Some amount goes upstream but it’s not worth worrying about in this context.
 
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I believe, (but someone please correct me if I’m wrong) that trade power ’spills over’ to upstream nodes, so increasing in EC helps to increase your trade power in for example the Champagne node, which would aid in steering trade to Genoa.


edit: Looked it up and the wiki says: ‘Any nation that has at least 10 provincial trade power in the node enjoys the propagation of that power upstream. An amount equivalent to 20% of the nation's provincial trade power is added to the total trade power of that nation in every immediate upstream node, where it is denoted as transfers from traders downstream.’
So indeed, you would still benefit.
 
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Genoa business district is better than the English Channel if you don't have a colonial mindset. But it is necessary to feed Genoa from trade regions such as Iberia, Egypt, Tunisia, and the Balkans.
 

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Don't bother if you do not want to collect in the English Channel, the buildings give you very little trade power in champagne while not doing anything in the Channel (If you have tp in an end node, but dont collect, you do not deny anybody any income, your tp is "wasted" in that regard)
 

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Don't bother if you do not want to collect in the English Channel, the buildings give you very little trade power in champagne while not doing anything in the Channel (If you have tp in an end node, but dont collect, you do not deny anybody any income, your tp is "wasted" in that regard)
You have a cot and an estuary in Normandy for English trade node so its worth doing it. England will always drain some of your power from champagne so best to drain some from their home node too
 
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You have a cot and an estuary in Normandy for English trade node so its worth doing it. England will always drain some of your power from champagne so best to drain some from their home node too
Yeah thats why there is an "if", but it also kinda hinges on if he needs to merchants for anything better, if he pushes into the Rheinland or Venice the second merchant is better used there.
 

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Sorry for not responding Sooner lots of great ideas here. I have trade going from India to gulf of aden to zan something around the horn all the way to Bordeaux the Paris and then Genoa. Plus some inland African trade nodes that feed into them sorry if the names are not correct but you get the idea.
I have all the merchants you can earn from them through trade companies except gulf of aden and the one trade node in India that I am transferring from . Right now with I'm making something in the range of 300-350 from trade in Genoa.
The one thing I'm a little bit afraid of now is the ottomans they're crushing people I just fought a war against them and took three or four provinces of wich I kept one in Alexandria trade node. I gave the rest to Poland.
So this brings up my next question in Africa I have trade companied pretty much every province to get the merchant. Once I have control of a node is it better to keep extra provinces out of the trade company for the manpower or should I just do it anyway?
Sorry about formatting and some names I am in an airplane flying back home and it's 1am.
Once again thanks for any advice.
 

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Well, that 100% depends on if you have the governing capacity or not and what you want to do moving forward. If you want to keep expanding in trade company regions and have spare gov cap, you can state parts of west africa and the maghreb, its easy enough to get the merchants their with only a few territories and the loss of trade power doesnt really hurt. If you want to keep going and dunno conquer all of western europe, you might wanna keep a bit of room for that.

Otherwise, if you meant with "...keep extra provinces out of the trade company..." to make them into territories-no. No need. TP-provinces do not have a built in malus to manpower compared to territories&if you have expansion ideas, you can also build the investement that gives you manpower (Dharma DLC), it would be the same as having a 20% manpower boost in the entire area.


Since money is no longer a factor for you at this point so you can afford to build as many townhalls as you can-a trade company province with a townhall costs you 0 gov cap, so that is also not a problem.
 
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Sorry for not responding Sooner lots of great ideas here. I have trade going from India to gulf of aden to zan something around the horn all the way to Bordeaux the Paris and then Genoa. Plus some inland African trade nodes that feed into them sorry if the names are not correct but you get the idea.
I have all the merchants you can earn from them through trade companies except gulf of aden and the one trade node in India that I am transferring from . Right now with I'm making something in the range of 300-350 from trade in Genoa.
The one thing I'm a little bit afraid of now is the ottomans they're crushing people I just fought a war against them and took three or four provinces of wich I kept one in Alexandria trade node. I gave the rest to Poland.
So this brings up my next question in Africa I have trade companied pretty much every province to get the merchant. Once I have control of a node is it better to keep extra provinces out of the trade company for the manpower or should I just do it anyway?
Sorry about formatting and some names I am in an airplane flying back home and it's 1am.
Once again thanks for any advice.
Airplanes were not invented in the eu4 timeline.maybe you should pay hoi4.
 
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I am playing a game as France I have a stranglehold on Genoa. I made that my trade city and push all my trade there. My question is I control several provinces in the english channel zones but I am not ever going to collect there is it still worth building the trade power buildings just to reduce England's income?
As other said, your trade power doesn't matter if you don't collect (since Channel is and end node). As other said, you should also collect in the Channel.

My opinion is you should also collect in Bourdeaux and possibly in Paris unless you absolutely dominate the Channel's center of trade.
 
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As other said, your trade power doesn't matter if you don't collect (since Channel is and end node). As other said, you should also collect in the Channel.
Depending on his power
My opinion is you should also collect in Bourdeaux and possibly in Paris unless you absolutely dominate the Channel's center of trade.
Why would you collect in both champagne and bordeuax?
 

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Depending on his power
Channel is usually a rich node and France is able to collect significant money if it maximizes its commercial power there (upgrading buildings and so on).

Why would you collect in both champagne and bordeuax?
Because if you steer it to Channel or Genoa, more than half your trade value will go to other countries.

France usually has a very high trade power both in Bourdeaux and Paris so penalty for collection out of home node doesn't matter to much and it can collect a lot of money. If it doesn't collect that money, most of it will go to other countries in the Channel or Genoa.

Just try it and yo will see.
 

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but I am not ever going to collect there is it still worth building the trade power buildings just to reduce England's income?
As far as im aware you trade power isnt "Wasted" it "brings trade upstream". This is not a reliable way to get income so i world bring your merchant from bordeaux to England or Valencia depending on ow your doing it. This will reliably reduce englands income and have a better affect using embargoes as well as giving a better economic boost to you then not doing it
 

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Channel is usually a rich node and France is able to collect significant money if it maximizes its commercial power there (upgrading buildings and so on).
Yes but collecting in both champagne and bordeuax means you lack the cumulative bonus from Bourdeaux trade moving to champagne, as well as the trsde efficiency malus
Because if you steer it to Channel or Genoa, more than half your trade value will go to other countries.
Op has a stranglehold on genoa, so it makes sense to assume he has more than 50%
France usually has a very high trade power both in Bourdeaux and Paris so penalty for collection out of home node doesn't matter to much and it can collect a lot of money. If it doesn't collect that money, most of it will go to other countries in the Channel or Genoa.
Paris (champagne) is the default home node, so will always collect there until moved
Just try it and yo will see.
Niet, like collecting in ivory coast and sevilla as Portugal
 

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As other said, your trade power doesn't matter if you don't collect (since Channel is and end node). As other said, you should also collect in the Channel.

My opinion is you should also collect in Bourdeaux and possibly in Paris unless you absolutely dominate the Channel's center of trade.
That would reduce your potential income drastically though. Collecting reduces profits being sent forward handicapping your economy its only usefull to collect on nodes that yo cant bring to your home node directly Like in the Persia region you should collect untill you have a lot of control over the region
 
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Niet, like collecting in ivory coast and sevilla as Portugal

That would reduce your potential income drastically though. Collecting reduces profits being sent forward handicapping your economy its only usefull to collect on nodes that yo cant bring to your home node directly Like in the Persia region you should collect untill you have a lot of control over the region
I think these are all "It depends" things. Sometimes you should collect in Ivory Coast and Sevilla as Portugal, in particular if you have very high control in Ivory Coast and are sharing a lot with Spain in Sevilla. Bringing everything to your home node is a decent rule of thumb and in the long run it's usually what you want to aim for, but it's far from always right. So:

Just try it and yo will see.
Is quite good advice. Sometimes you are throwing money away by forwarding, other times by collecting. In the OP's case, forwarding to Genoa is probably the right choice, but it depends on numbers that we don't know. Same with whether to collect in the channel or not.