Trade nodes as Spain

[RichardOlcese]

Hi! I usually make Sevilla a virtual end node by conquering all land that belongs to that node. The problem then is that I feel I am nor using the trade capabilities of my Aragonese provinces. What would be the wise thing to do in that case? Just leave Aragon's trade node to waste? Collect there secondarily what may have been pulled from Sevilla? Pull myself from Sevilla and collect there?

 

[Battlex]

Hi! I usually make Sevilla a virtual end node by conquering all land that belongs to that node. The problem then is that I feel I am nor using the trade capabilities of my Aragonese provinces. What would be the wise thing to do in that case? Just leave Aragon's trade node to waste? Collect there secondarily what may have been pulled from Sevilla? Pull myself from Sevilla and collect there?

Genoa is best, you'll expand into France with Navarra, you get claims on all of Italy sans papal states with aragon and castile, aragon also gets early claims to provence. Alexandria also flows to genoa iirc

 

[holyvigil]

The geonese trade node is what you should eventually end up with.

Early game the Aragonese trade node provides a buffer between the two to prevent trade being diverted out of Sevilla. So that is useful.

 

[Big Bad France]

Feed Aragon land in the Genoa node before integrating them. You can get most of it without spending a single monarch point, and if you put Naples under a PU, you have plenty of permanent claims to declare war with, plus Aragon gets claims on Provence and much of southern France through their mission tree.

 

[cetvrtak]

"You should conquer an end node" is never a valid advice. Generally it's never a good idea to collect in any node other than home because of the bonus on trade power in main node you get from every merchant transferring trade (that's anywhere in the world, upstream or downstream). Of course, a lot depends on the numbers.

 

[Big Bad France]

"You should conquer an end node" is never a valid advice. Generally it's never a good idea to collect in any node other than home because of the bonus on trade power in main node you get from every merchant transferring trade (that's anywhere in the world, upstream or downstream). Of course, a lot depends on the numbers.

It often is more profitable to collect outside of your home node than it is to steer everything to it. That aside, I don't advise collecting with a merchant in Genoa, as you would be intercepting more than half of the trade in Sevilla. Instead, move your trade capital to the Genoa node, so that you steer everything there. Sevilla only flows to Valencia, and Valencia only flows to Genoa, so you don't even have to adjust your merchants, and you gain about 20 extra ducats per month from the trade that flows to Genoa from elsewhere.

 

[Battlex]

"You should conquer an end node" is never a valid advice. Generally it's never a good idea to collect in any node other than home because of the bonus on trade power in main node you get from every merchant transferring trade (that's anywhere in the world, upstream or downstream). Of course, a lot depends on the numbers.

Why on earth wouldn't you move home node to the end node?

 

[Cancerofthehead]

Also “just conquer an end node” may be dumb advice to give to Nepal, but a Spain is major power right beside an end node. Spain should want to seize the Genoa node and move the trade capital there.

Until that time, however, keep your Trade capital in Sevilla and (depending on how amounts work out) either leave the Aragon trade, or consider collection in Genoa or Aragon it is raises your overall profitability.

 

[cetvrtak]

Why on earth wouldn't you move home node to the end node?

Who said anything about moving home node?

Spain should want to seize the Genoa node

But obviously Spain doesn't want to seize it. It is currently content with Sevilla and Valencia.

 

[Cancerofthehead]

Who said anything about moving home node?

But obviously Spain doesn't want to seize it. It is currently content with Sevilla and Valencia.

Why wouldn’t Spain want some of the most valuable lands in the world, including a better trade node than Sevilla, much of which they even have Perma claims on.

 

[cetvrtak]

It often is more profitable to collect outside of your home node than it is to steer everything to it. That aside, I don't advise collecting with a merchant in Genoa, as you would be intercepting more than half of the trade in Sevilla. Instead, move your trade capital to the Genoa node, so that you steer everything there. Sevilla only flows to Valencia, and Valencia only flows to Genoa, so you don't even have to adjust your merchants, and you gain about 20 extra ducats per month from the trade that flows to Genoa from elsewhere.

Other than inland Nodes, where you usually have to many merchants using caravan power preventing you from taking a larger trade share, I have rarely noticed anything but steering home would be significantly more efficient.

 

[cetvrtak]

Why wouldn’t Spain want some of the most valuable lands in the world, including a better trade node than Sevilla, much of which they even have Perma claims on.

Because

Hi! I usually make Sevilla a virtual end node by conquering all land that belongs to that node.

 

[Cancerofthehead]

Other than inland Nodes, where you usually have to many merchants using caravan power preventing you from taking a larger trade share, I have rarely noticed anything but steering home would be significantly more efficient.

If you have a significant presence in multiple end nodes it is often better to collect (say France who got the Burgundian inheritance and had conquered much of Genoa.

If you have significantly more power in earlier nodes those can be better to collect in (say Portugal with 90% of Ivory Coast but 50% of Sevilla).

 

[Cancerofthehead]

Because

So why not conquer Genoa now?

 

[RichardOlcese]

Because

Exactly. Dominating Sevilla allows you to profit from all colonial riches without the hassle of having to conquer the highly developed/AE Genoa node.

 

[Sidolowka]

Because

Actual End Node > Virtual End Node.

Conquering Genoa takes a fair while. Until you do, Sevilla is a great pseudo end node; when you do finish conquering Genoa however, there is 0 reason for you to not move your home node there. You have 100% trade power, while also being able to pull trade from Alexandria/Aleppo/Persia.

 

[cetvrtak]

If you have a significant presence in multiple end nodes it is often better to collect (say France who got the Burgundian inheritance and had conquered much of Genoa.

I don't think you have to be a genius to figure that one out. You're not going to transfer trade power from end nodes!

So why not conquer Genoa now?

Because the OP doesn't want to.

Exactly. Dominating Sevilla allows you to profit from all colonial riches without the hassle of having to conquer the highly developed/AE Genoa node.

Actual End Node > Virtual End Node.

Conquering Genoa takes a fair while. Until you do, Sevilla is a great pseudo end node; when you do finish conquering Genoa however, there is 0 reason for you to not move your home node there. You have 100% trade power, while also being able to pull trade from Alexandria/Aleppo/Persia.

End nodes are only as good as you control them.

 

[RichardOlcese]

Actual End Node > Virtual End Node.

Conquering Genoa takes a fair while. Until you do, Sevilla is a great pseudo end node; when you do finish conquering Genoa however, there is 0 reason for you to not move your home node there. You have 100% trade power, while also being able to pull trade from Alexandria/Aleppo/Persia.

100% except for the Papal States, that also collect there and may control Rome which is a center of trade.

 

[Battlex]

Exactly. Dominating Sevilla allows you to profit from all colonial riches without the hassle of having to conquer the highly developed/AE Genoa node.

Are we talking MP or SP? In SP why would you not eventually conquer genoa for the reasons laid out. In MP fighting France and conquering Italy will take longer and costly when you could just colonise faster

 

[Battlex]

100% except for the Papal States, that also collect there and may control Rome which is a center of trade.

But the increase in money will still be higher in genoa when you take everything except Rome? Could also get transfer trade off allied Pope