Trade Good Map-mode!

[Denkt]

So many cities it's almost giving me a headache to look at. I hope the game is decently managable even for large empires.

You are ment to work mostly at province level from what I understand. However there are stuff such as buildings or pop that are city level management so I hope they provide good tools to manage such things.

I do not want to have to click on every city just to see if I can build a granary. I hope they have an auto max build feature for buildings.

 

[Captain Frakas]

If you have any suggestions, do fire away, but from the research we've done, these deserts and inhospitable areas seem to be accurate for the time period. North Africa (Mauretania Tingitana) was, in places, incredibly densely forested.

I do not pretend to know this subject, but I would had thought there was nomadic peoples more deeply into Eurasian Steppes and along the Baltic, Caspian and Aral seas. The two latter being linked by a natural channel, at the time, along the banks of which there was a riverine civilization that Wikipedia describe having existed from at least the 5th century BC until the 17th century AD, when the water which had fed the Uzboy abruptly stopped flowing out of the main course of the Amudarya. The Uzboy dried up, and the tribes which had inhabited the river's banks were abruptly dispersed, the survivors becoming nomadic desert dwellers. [Kapuściński, Ryszard, "Imperium", pp 65–69]

 

[lucaluca]

I do not pretend to know this subject, but I would had thought there was nomadic peoples more deeply into Eurasian Steppes and along the Baltic, Caspian and Aral seas. The two latter being linked by a natural channel, at the time, along the banks of which, there was a riverine civilization that Wikipedia describe having existed from at least the 5th century BC until the 17th century AD, when the water which had fed the Uzboy abruptly stopped flowing out of the main course of the Amudarya. The Uzboy dried up, and the tribes which had inhabited the river's banks were abruptly dispersed, the survivors becoming nomadic desert dwellers. [Kapuściński, Ryszard, "Imperium", pp 65–69]

Interesting. Also how do you model the movement of yuezhi wisun parni saka etc if there are no provinces? It looks like Central Asia is safe from the north and that should not be the case at all, that’s where all the invasions came from

 

[Negru Voda]

Bear in mind that this mapmode doesn't show population density. Gaul had a great deal of habitable area that was sparsely populated, whereas Iran had a lot of highly inhospitable terrain, but certain areas with very built up towns and cities.

So... Are there plans for a population density mapmode?

 

[Sol_Invictus]

I really like how wasteland is handled here and how much of it there is. Seems to fit the time period much better than the province carpets of other games and should allow for quite a lot of changes in handling warfare, for instance.

 

[Calahir]

Love the wasteland north of Gallia Cisalpina with sparse mountain passes that should prevent Romans from expanding into Germania. Same about Greece and Balkans.

 

[Samitte]

So... Are there plans for a population density mapmode?

Could be the 2nd from the right one. The others look like (L to R):

Terrain
Simple Terrain
Country
Culture
Religion
Provinces
Trade Goods
(Population (Density?) Looks like 3 peoples
Diplomatic

 

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I wonder how Alexander's army managed to move on all this wasteland of Persia. ^^

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/MacedonEmpire.jpg

 

[Thure]

I wonder how Alexander's army managed to move on all this wasteland of Persia. ^^

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/MacedonEmpire.jpg

Compare the maps. Alexanders route was not in the wastelands. He actually followed the passes very well.

 

[lemonsquid]

i just hope those spaces get filled like they do in eu4

 

[Guedes]

I wonder how Alexander's army managed to move on all this wasteland of Persia. ^^

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/MacedonEmpire.jpg

The only "wasteland" he crossed was the gedrosian desert on his way back from the india campaign. And he only did it to prove he could since supposedly he heard no other army had done it before. And he allegedly lost a great part of his army doing so.

So maybe you could ask this "impassable terrains" being passable, but not without some stupidly high attrition.

 

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This was not meant as criticsm I really like these little provinces I think they bring much more immersion than these huge provinces in sparsely populated lands. I just wondered how they managed to move through such a mountainous arid area.

 

[wetblowdryer]

I just wonder if there will be different categories of wasteland. Will there be passable wasteland? Will there be controllable wasteland you can build forts in? Are there any provinces on the map between other provinces that are colonizable?

 

[Thure]

i just hope those spaces get filled like they do in eu4

We already saw the political map. They will. But this is the trade good map.

 

[Rhaegar1]

I wonder how Alexander's army managed to move on all this wasteland of Persia. ^^

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/MacedonEmpire.jpg

No offense but have you actually compared your linked map with the maps posted by Johan? Both the cities shown and the marching routes of Alexander follow the actualy cities in Johan's map extrelemely closely, on top of that the big wastelands in Persia follow the named deserts in your map also extremely well.. In fact I have a feeling your linked map was explicitely used by PDS as one of the sources for creating cities in this region.

 

[icedt729]

This makes me wonder how the game will handle nomads. I can't help but notice that the steppe is wasteland except for the corridors between cities.

 

[Rhaegar1]

This makes me wonder how the game will handle nomads. I can't help but notice that the steppe is wasteland except for the corridors between cities.

Agreed, we know colonies are a thing but unless you can colonies allready occupied provinces that should mostly take place in wastland regions. At the same time there is also wasteland where no colonisation should be possible so I'm curious to see how they are differentiated. An wildly out of the box alternative would be if every province would have some sort of 'empty' colony slot that only gets filled up when a nation so you could potentially colonise everywhere but to be honest I don't see that happening.

 

[Antediluvian Monster]

We need bigger resolution image, it's hard to see what the goods are for most part and many of the colours are similar or same. For example, I can't make out if Populonia/Elba have iron resource or not.

#furthermoreiamoftheopinionthatgarummustbeincluded

 

[Rhaegar1]

So Johan, any chance on seeing an updated map with all the states anytime soon? I'm really curious about how colonising and wastelands are going to work out. If all the trade goods filled regions here are owned by states at the start of the game you must be making lots of progress in filling up Germany. On the other had what does that mean for the wasteland north of the black sea? Is this colonisable? Or are only the trade good filled regions colonisable and ownable? that would make the steppe really, really empty and it would prevent us from having some serious fun with scythians right?

So many questions, can't wait to find out more.

 

[bizarcasm]

I have to question the inclusion and relative accessibility of Tibet, given that afaik no Indian or Central Asian empire has ever successfully launched an invasion across the Himalayas. Every attempt that has ever been made was a complete disaster, and all occurred well outside the classical era. Trade is one thing, but trying to send an army across the Himalayas into Tibet is frankly suicide, and few leaders have ever been stupid enough to try. The Tibetans themselves did at have a bit more success going the other way, but that didn’t happen till the 7-8th centuries, well outside Imperator’s time-frame.