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Ex Mudder

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Looking at the Netherlands, it seems that a course of Neutrality is their best bet. Trade rares to Japan and Germany, knowing the allies can't or won't do anything about it without declaring war on you. A similar strategy would work for Germany - conquering Holland won't accomplish much, but trading with them is very profitable.

The Dutch East Indies have about 75 rares, out of about 1000 - there are 125 more in Malaysia. Very little oil, though.

I'm wondering if there is anything the UK or US can do about this? You'd think that if Neutral Holland were trading vital war materials to Germany and Japan, extracted from Indonesia, the allies would try to disrupt this trade - or at least block the convoys from Indonesia to the Netherlands. And given that the Netherlands has a land connection to Germany, I doubt you'd see a drop in effeciency the way you would see for a Netherlands East Indies -> Japan trade running past a US Phillipines.

The other problem is Venezuela, with 120 oil (out of about 1000, half of which is in the US), trading with Germany and Japan. Is there any way to block that? Or a CB for trading with the enemy? Or a cease trading dimplomatic demand? Some sort of "Blockade country x" would also simulate the German interdiction of US supplies to the allies, as well a potential US interdiction of the Venezuela Oil trade or the Dutch Rares trade.

I'm assuming this has been taken care of in the game. But I'd like some confirmation of that.

And before you say "that would never happen IRL, the Allies didn't declare war on x" remember that

a) an Axis Spain would cost the English Gibralter. As would an Allied Spain, which would be rapidly conquered by Germany.

b) Sweden was unreachable after the fall of Norway

c) Turkey had too big an army

By contrast, shutting down trade between the NEI and Europe would be just as easy for the English as using the Phillipines to shut down trade any NEI Japan trade. Similar argument for the US blockading Venezuela. And, in game, it would cripple German industry - 1 rare feeds 2 ICs after all, and there aren't all that many rares in Europe.

I hope I'm worrying about nothing.
 

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WW II Trade

The IRL story of some neutrals in WW II is worth remembering - Sweden provided both raw materials ( Iron ore ) and Bofors licenses, whilst the Swiss provided a Financial haven ( including transit of Wehrmacht units to Italy ).

Why would a neutral NEI trading with the Axis necessarily attract any specific embargo from the Allies??

While we are at it - remember that the reason the Allies went to war in the first place was because of the Axis attack on Poland.
Interesting how the USSR under Stalin invaded from the East under the Ribbentrop - Molotov deal and at wars end Poland finished up on the wrong side of the Iron Curtain !
Only took another generation for them to get their freedom.

:eek:
 

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elbasto said:
In real life it wouldn't happen because the Allies would just offer more money.

In real life of course it would happen - you think the Dutch would dare trading anything whatsoever to the Allies when the Germans completely surround them and could overwhelm them in days if the Dutch breathe wrong?

elbasto said:
And do remember that in HOI 1 all trade during war time would take place at a 10% efficiency ratio.

No-one's talking about HoI1 here. It's likely there's something less dumb in HoI2 than having your trades, even in a safe area of the world, reduced by 50%-95% because there's a war on the other side of the planet.
 

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The Albatross said:
The IRL story of some neutrals in WW II is worth remembering - Sweden provided both raw materials ( Iron ore ) and Bofors licenses, whilst the Swiss provided a Financial haven ( including transit of Wehrmacht units to Italy ).
The neutrals indeed had a difficult situation. It was said that the Swiss worked six days a week for the German war effort, and prayed for Allied victory the seventh.