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Abdul Goatherd

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Alot of people (many of them Christian ) believe that the vatican and the catholic church are the whore of babylon

There are many ways of interpreting Revelation. Given that it is so heavily allegorical, many theories can and have been read into it.

I prefer the theory that seems most appropriate for the time period when Revelation was written, i.e. ancient pagan Rome. So the prophecy is already fulfilled.
 

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There are many ways of interpreting Revelation. Given that it is so heavily allegorical, many theories can and have been read into it.

I prefer the theory that seems most appropriate for the time period when Revelation was written, i.e. ancient pagan Rome. So the prophecy is already fulfilled.

But how can we guarantee that it's not talking about some catholic empire in the future?
 

Abdul Goatherd

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But how can we guarantee that it's not talking about some catholic empire in the future?

I can't. I also can't guarantee the sun will rise tomorrow.
 

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Out of curioisty, what would be so bad about a Catholic Empire ? I mean we had already plenty of them.
 

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If the vatican was the whore of babylon it would prove the bible is really the word of god
Ah I see, well that would be good news.
 

Abdul Goatherd

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Isn't there any way to prove without a shadow of a doubt that its pagan rome?

No. Again, everything in Revelation is written allegorically, you're not going to be able to prove or disprove any theory either way. You'll have to simply deal with probabilities.
 

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Plenty of time to repent and be born again in Christ if the Vatican first has to overthrow the Italian government and turn Rome fifteen times richer than it is today.
 

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I am NEVER going to become a Christian

If you aren’t a Christian, why would you even think that Revelations could have true prophecies? The simplest explanation is that the text is meant to be the Rome that was persecuting the co-religionists of the writer. Unless you have faith in the literal truth of the Bible there is no reason to expect the prophecy to come true.
 

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If you aren’t a Christian, why would you even think that Revelations could have true prophecies? The simplest explanation is that the text is meant to be the Rome that was persecuting the co-religionists of the writer. Unless you have faith in the literal truth of the Bible there is no reason to expect the prophecy to come true.

I'm not a Christian but I acknowledge the fact the bible is possibly the word of god I have spent a good part of my life looking for proof that it's not, wether or not the whore of babylon is ancient pagan rome is the key to proving once and for all what the Bible is
 

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If the bible is the word of god then most of us are going to hell FOREVER

Do you worry this much about any of the religions being true or only Christianity?
 

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If the Bible is the Word of God, then obviously so are the other parts about compacts between God and Man. And one of those is that proclaimed to Peter by Christ, wherein He establishes the Catholic Church as His representative on Earth (or at least the rock on which He built His Church). So to equate the Church of Christ with the Whore of Babylon is an obviously strange derivation.