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Garibaldi was glad to hear of the return of his old friend.

"Mr. Johanssen, As always, You and your PURE movement have my support. May the Monarchy, may Unity, may Stability, and may our Trust in Government be restored."
 

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Barkeep49 said:
Mr. Kenny what qualifications do you have to run a major political party?

-Dr. Jonathan Glasser

Jonh quickly replied

"Dr. Glasser, is a pleasure to finally meet you in person, I heard a lot about you Jonh Smiled. Well, I am a catedratical(I hope this word is used in english:p) Philosophy professor in Eutopian City's University, is this the answer you were looking for?" Jonh was curiosed to see what the good Dr. would say


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The young man shrugs.

"Well, most of you sound to have sort of 'unify or get squashed' attitude in the core..."

Then he looks up firmly again.

"Besides, most of you talk about how military is bloody important. Those military goons are best used to save other people when they are lost and to help when some catastrophe happens. Helicopters and ships are well and good then, but why the damn do we need all those guns? We should have strict gun control laws so that every robber won't go around with a gun and so police don't need to have guns when they do their day job."
 

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Byakhiam said:
"Well, surely if a foreign power would wish to extend hostile military power upon our southern brethren, we can rush to their aid. They are our kin after all. Also that assumption of them invading us is quite laughable. Why would they be interested to war us and kill their own kinsmen? To conquer us? If they wanted United Provinces to be united under one goverment, would they have separated in the first place?

Also, we have little to fear from the outside, for surely the democracies of the world won't stand idle if a peace loving land would be unjustly invaded. Wake up to the present, people! This is the 21st century after all."
Garibaldi was distraught.

"Sir, I lived most of my life in those southern lands that have broken from us in Eutopia. The fact that we are brethren is why we must be united. The separation on this island over trivial issues will do nothing but to increase danger. Independence in the south may lead to more terrorism than we have had to deal with in our history."
 

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Gun Control Laws don't work because criminals don't follow the law! We need to have the good, honest civilians of Eutopia armed, so that they may counter criminals. Someone is much less likely to shoot somebody if they see somebody else in the area with a gun. Innocents with guns is a good thing. We can't stop criminals from getting guns, so we need to let non-criminals have guns.
 

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Byakhiam said:
The young man shrugs.

"Well, most of you sound to have sort of 'unify or get squashed' attitude in the core..."

Then he looks up firmly again.

"Besides, most of you talk about how military is bloody important. Those military goons are best used to save other people when they are lost and to help when some catastrophe happens. Helicopters and ships are well and good then, but why the damn do we need all those guns? We should have strict gun control laws so that every robber won't go around with a gun and so police don't need to have guns when they do their day job."

Jonh Kenny agreed with that so he replied

"Yes young man you are right... What is your name again? And what are your other positions, because at least in that part we seem to have the same ideology"

Waits for the reply

~Jonh Kenny
 

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Byakhiam said:
"Besides, most of you talk about how military is bloody important. Those military goons are best used to save other people when they are lost and to help when some catastrophe happens. Helicopters and ships are well and good then, but why the damn do we need all those guns? We should have strict gun control laws so that every robber won't go around with a gun and so police don't need to have guns when they do their day job."

Would you rather we have a military of 50 men armed with tasers guarding the whole of the island?!?
 

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I Killed Kenny said:
Jonh quickly replied

"Dr. Glasser, is a pleasure to finally meet you in person, I heard a lot about you Jonh Smiled. Well, I am a catedratical(I hope this word is used in english:p) Philosophy professor in Eutopian City's University, is this the answer you were looking for?" Jonh was curiosed to see what the good Dr. would say


~Jonh Kenny
It is always a pleasure to meet a man of learning Professor Kenny, but no your answer did not address my question. What experience do you have in the political arena? In my experience, albeit much of it as an undergraduate, philosophy professors are often brilliant thinkers. However, brilliant thinkers is not what I would think we need today. Instead I think we need men and women with political experience who can lead us through these rough waters. Your platform does interest me, but I must confess I could not join a party led by a political neophyte. So I ask Professor what political experience you have.
 

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Well, Dr. Glasser, the UEF has many experienced politicians, including myself, Kazimierz Reczynski, a former member of the British and Polish governments, and I feel my experience in reconstructing heavily damaged nations, such as Poland, is needed in times such as these.
 

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Young man answers at Kenny:

"My name is Rüdiger Straub. I am not firmly established in all political issues, but I don't like it when people start to kill each other on small issues or force their views on other people."
 

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Sterkarm said:
Well, Dr. Glasser, the UEF has many experienced politicians, including myself, Kazimierz Reczynski, a former member of the British and Polish governments, and I feel my experience in reconstructing heavily damaged nations, such as Poland, is needed in times such as these.
I appreciate the offer. My record shows that I will work with all Eutopians, whether they are part of the Anglo or Latin areas, whether they are liberal or conservative, whether they are in favor of the monarch or democracy. However, the key is that I work with them. I am, quite simply, proud to be a liberal. And so my centre-left views would not make me a good candidate for the UEF.
 

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Barkeep49 said:
It is always a pleasure to meet a man of learning Professor Kenny, but no your answer did not address my question. What experience do you have in the political arena? In my experience, albeit much of it as an undergraduate, philosophy professors are often brilliant thinkers. However, brilliant thinkers is not what I would think we need today. Instead I think we need men and women with political experience who can lead us through these rough waters. Your platform does interest me, but I must confess I could not join a party led by a political neophyte. So I ask Professor what political experience you have.


Jonh was allready waiting for that reply...

"Well Doctor, I had more experiance that you had when you became leader of the DA" Jonh Smiled "And we know that went well didn't it?"
Jonh rested for a moment and continued "I joined the RD in the first days of his creation, I was a minor member but still I knew the inside-outs of the party and of the political world. I abandoned the party when you joined, that was just a coinsidence" Smiled again, so Glasser didn't think other things, but then he made a sad face, because of what he was about to tell "Because my father was very sick in that time so I knew I needed to give up one thing, or Politics or Teaching. I decieded to give up the political world, because I believed in that period we had good leaders, yourself and IKK, just as an example."
Again Jonh stoped a bit, took a big breath of air and continued, with a melancolic face "I staid with my father until his death. I continued teaching, until the night of the secession, when I believed once again, I could be give something new to the political world of the new Eutopia. Then I asked for a sabatic year, so I'm a politian full time right now. And Dr. Glasser, you were "young" in politics when you became leader of a major party and now you are one of the most respected men right now in Eutopia, isn't this right?
I sincerly believe the P4P would win much if you joined us, a so experianced and respected individual as yourself could bring the P4P the "experianced Blood" every party needs, even the new ones..."

He hopes he could get a positive reply from the good Doctor

~Jonh Kenny
 

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Byakhiam said:
Young man answers at Kenny:

"My name is Rüdiger Straub. I am not firmly established in all political issues, but I don't like it when people start to kill each other on small issues or force their views on other people."


Jonh replied

So maybe Mr. Rüdiger should read the platform of the party I belong and I'm the Spokesman the Party for Progress or just P4P... If you like it, we could discuss a possible acception of yourself :)

Jonh awaits a reply


[OOC: the platform is the 6th post of this thread :)/]

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generalbob said:
Would you rather we have a military of 50 men armed with tasers guarding the whole of the island?!?

"Point out somebody to protect the island from. 50 men with tasers are perfectly enough to protect us from wandering sea birds and other oh so dangerous wildlife. Certainly policemen should have guns in store somewhere, but with good gun control laws, there would not be a need to carry them around on regular duty. If some loony goes psycho, certainly police should have heavier equipment to use then, but if the psycho is not equipped with several deadly weapons he has the right to own, it certainly reduces the amount of dead people then too."
 

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So maybe Mr. Rüdiger should read the platform of the party I belong and I'm the Spokesman the Party for Progress or just P4P... If you like it, we could discuss a possible acception of yourself :)

Jonh awaits a reply

Young man goes to find a poster about P4P, reads it and then returns to answer:

"Well, that anti-terrorism part is a tricky one for you, because I think it's quite hard to have strict laws there while respecting the rights of others. Why couldn't we just make sure there is no need for terrorists to blow places up? People don't tend to blow places up if they see an alternative way to get their message through. Is this terrorism really a present issue or just something that bothered the previous administration?

Those rich guys should pay more about health care, because they have money to spend. With some extra from there, those who are really poor could get some more advanced treatments when they really need such.

Otherwise, it's a really nice party. Especially when compared to others..."
 

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Glasser stands there for a moment. Professor Kenny managed to insult him not once but twice and yet still ended with an appeal to join the P4P.

"But surely we are talking of different times now then when the RD was running. The leader of my party is a matter of great concern to me as I over extended myself during my time at the helm of the DA and have no interests in once again leading a party. This was borne out the Presidency when I was happy to let AG O'Floinn run the party. Being the leader of a major party requires sacrafices for the greater good and having a leader who knows this is quite important for me.

"More importantly, though, this is a different time. Our country has fractured at the seems. This current term we have seen what happens when disaster strikes and there is a political neophyte at the helm: nothing or worse. It seems to me that we need experience now, not more untested leaders. I sincerely thank you for your time Professor, and hope that my words have not offended you. I hope your party will soon be recongized by the CRO, because I do sincerely agree with much of your platform, but for now I will look at all options before deciding anything."

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Byakhiam said:
Young man goes to find a poster about P4P, reads it and then returns to answer:

"Well, that anti-terrorism part is a tricky one for you, because I think it's quite hard to have strict laws there while respecting the rights of others. Why couldn't we just make sure there is no need for terrorists to blow places up? People don't tend to blow places up if they see an alternative way to get their message through. Is this terrorism really a present issue or just something that bothered the previous administration?

Those rich guys should pay more about health care, because they have money to spend. With some extra from there, those who are really poor could get some more advanced treatments when they really need such.

Otherwise, it's a really nice party. Especially when compared to others..."

Jonh replied

"I think it's very good the way you express yourself, because you seem to tell exaclly what you Believe and you are very direct, that is very important to me, in an individual's caracter." Jonh Smiled and continued
"Well terrorists and terrorrism is not a very sane *thing* so I would say that even in an perfect world, still terrorrists would happear. Terrorrists don't follow rules or anything like that. So I belive that even if we try to end the terrorrism by simply removing the causes, is good, but still un-likely because terrorrists simply are not *normal people* if they were they would not use other ways to pass their words...

And we in the P4P belive in that issue, we belive we can have a more strict anti-terrorrism law and continue with our freedoms, if we did not belive in such things, we would not include that in our platform" Jonh smiled

"On the other issue" Continued Jonh "Personaly I believe the rich people should not pay *more* I belive the poor people should pay less, with the help of a good Wealthcare/healthcare system..."

He hoped he gave good answers

~Jonh Kenny
 

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Young man listens to Kenny and then replies:

"Well, I don't think that most terrorists are similiar to those psychos that go to shoot people just because they find them irritating. We don't call lonely nut shooter terrorist. Real terrorists have a cause, because people don't get together and start bombing places for fun. If we are a free democracy, people will realize that they get their views out in the open much better by writing into newspapers and other peaceful means. Real terrorists are desperate people and desperation doesn't form from nothing. We should allow extermists to express their opinions freely, so that they can see for themselves that most people don't agree with them. If we just censor them, the extermists just feel prejudiced and as it goes on long enough, they'll get desperate.

Also, if it would be harder to get all kinds of weapons, then it would be easier for police to keep track of large quanities of weapons moving around. If it's completely ok to move a big crate of shotguns around, anybody with the wealth for it could fund a coup. That's why if only police can have shotguns, all shotguns will draw attention from lawful citizens, which will help the police to crack down on illegal ones."
 

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As a former Minister of Health, Environment, and Social Services I think I am emminently qualified to speak to the person who mentioned something about making those 'rich guys' pay more for health care. As one of those 'rich guys' I have to tell you that I pay far more in taxes than the average Eutopian. PLUS, I have my own company sponsored health care that >I< pay for, not the government.

Does that make me a bad fellow for being wealthy? No. I worked VERY hard for my money. I work hard every day. Many people work hard and don't make as much as I do. Is it fair? Sure. I parlayed my skills into a business empire. I spoke on more than one occasion during elections that more people should take advantage of government programs to start their own businesses.

I pay an excellent wage at my companies. I have to. Not because of government regulations, but because I want to attract the best and brightest to work for me.

Health care is something that every person has the right to receive. The former MHES had the largest budget of any ministry. Most of it went to health care and social services. I ought to know. I even spent MORE to try and bring Eutopia's health care services to be among the best in the world. It still has some way to go, but we still have very good health care.

Unlike the United States, where many people do NOT have health care, everyone in Eutopia has access to health care, paid for by the government. Nobody is turned away, all receive health care according to their needs and requirements.

Just because someone is 'rich' doesn't mean that they receive greater benefits from the hospitals or doctors. We are not the United States. Does this mean a 'rich' person can't go abroad to receive treatments unavailable to the average citizen? Yes, they can. But citizens of many nations travel to other countries to receive treatments that they cannot receive in their own nation. It is the nature of humanity. Does it make it wrong? No.

The average Eutopian citizen receives very good health care. If he or she choose to USE it. This means going to the doctor to receive regular check ups. This means as a woman you go to get a yearly breast exam when you reach a certain age. This means as a man you go to get your yearly proctoligical exam when you reach a certain age.

This means if you are a diabetic, you take your medications. If you have high blood pressure you take your pills. Every day. You eat right, and you exercise to stay fit. It isn't that difficult, but many people think they should only go to the doctor when they are nearly at death's door, so to speak, rather than go regularly to make sure that you don't REACH death's door any time soon.

Health care in many ways is only as good as those who choose to utilize it properly.
 

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"Jon, a pleasure to have you aboard. I'll need to go secure some offices for our use... I have to say, I wasn't expecting so much support."

Tilly turns, addressing both Msrs. Recyznski and Kenny. "Gentlemen, as I suggest from the fore, what I intend is not a political party; it is an non-governmental organization focusing on the reunification of our homeland." He nods to Straub. "As this fine gentleman says, there is nothing wrong with self-determination; in fact, I quite support it myself. But my personal belief is that this secession is an unfortunate reaction to long neglect, stressful times, and a suspect and misguided government. What I hope to do is convince the people of Tilapia and St. Esprit that we are better off working together as Eutopians, not apart as "Latins" or "Anglos" or what have you. I see no reason, Mr. Straub, why we should wait for our new neighbors to offer the olive branch of reunification when we can easily do the same, and perhaps express our humility for the recent past at the same time."

"In any case, Mr. Kenny, Mr. Recyznski, the wheels of government have their place in achieving the end of reunification, that much is true. So too do the agencies of civil society. It is that aspect I intend to represent through this organization."
 
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