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Well does General Levarge have to ensure the military will be funded?
 

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"Yes."
 

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"Aha so the government admits it's own incompetence in this matter?"
 

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"What? *I* say that General Leverage has every right to ensure the Military is funded adequetly. Weather that has, is and will happen I cannot say."
 

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"Gentlemen. This discussion is unnecessary and unseemly. My proposed Act is for the modernization and restoration of the military. Replacing equipment lost in the rebellion and outdated or non-working equipment. My concerns about day-to-day funding of the military relate to amount, not existence; in other words, I do not fear that the military will be not be funded, I fear it will not get enough money."
 

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Actually, Mr. Gonzov, I believe Mr. Tulp in right in this matter. You, by answering "yes", admitted that General Levarge will HAVE to ensure that the military is funded, not that he may or that he can. Therefore, by implication, it is saying that the ESA will not fund the military because General Levarge HAS TO ensure funding rather than the government ensuring it. As Mr. Tulp said, you've just, perhaps inadvertently, admitted to you and your party's unwillingness to put any substantial funds towards the military.
 

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Minister Fourgeres, I disagree with your decision to allow foreign companies to submit bids regarding the production of bulletproof vests for FLEA. I believe that right now the Eutopian economy does not need its own government importing equipment for its own government agencies.
 

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MGA Kazimierz Reczynski,

The Ministry of Infrastructure and Domestic Affairs, of which Federal Law Enforcement is a part, contacted two domestic firms, ENDTech and BMI, about supplying the bulletproof vests for FLEA, but received no responses prior to the publication of the RFP. Every day that goes by without buying those vests means needlessly risking the lives of some of our agents. We have some vests, but not enough for everyone on duty, much less every agent. We make those vests available to those agents who will be engaged in higher risk activities, like drug busts, but studies from the US and elsewhere have shown that wearing a bulletproof vest all the time when on duty saves lives, as you cannot always predict when you are likely to be shot at. Therefore, I have a responsibility to the men and women of FLEA, who risk their lives for us, to get the protection they deserve sooner rather than later. If we wait for a local firm to design and test a product and set up production, we risk having someone die during the wait.

We also have a duty to the taxpayers, to get the best price for a product that meets the quality criteria we have established. If a foreign supplier has a quality product at a better price, then Eutopia benefits by that lower price. If we buy locally, at a higher price, then part of the excess cost is a subsidy, and part is just a waste of resources, neither of which I will support. Eutopia's prior isolationism is one of the reasons our economic growth has lagged. Countries that a more open have seen more rapid growth and countries with closed economies that opened them up have experienced increases in economic growth. Under CAFTA, which we seek to join, we would not be allowed to favor a local company over one from St. Esprit.

This is a relatively small contract, so I believe the considerations of speed of delivery and price outweigh the considerations of isolationism vs. free trade in this specific case. Either way, I would plan to fairly consider competitive bids from all qualified vendors, without discriminating with regard to their location. As a professional matter, if we publish an RFP, and then modify it, we acquire a reputation as being unreliable, so potential bidders will pay less attention to future requests for proposals, or bid less aggressively, costing the UPE money in the future. I understand that Eutopia has somewhat of a reputation for being unreliable already, so we need to work to overcome this by acting correctly, and sticking to the terms of our published RFP.
 

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Sterkarm said:
Actually, Mr. Gonzov, I believe Mr. Tulp in right in this matter. You, by answering "yes", admitted that General Levarge will HAVE to ensure that the military is funded, not that he may or that he can. Therefore, by implication, it is saying that the ESA will not fund the military because General Levarge HAS TO ensure funding rather than the government ensuring it. As Mr. Tulp said, you've just, perhaps inadvertently, admitted to you and your party's unwillingness to put any substantial funds towards the military.

"Actaully, Mr Reczynski, I belive that you are wrong in this matter. I am saying that General Leverage will HAVE to ensure that the military is funded, it's his job. Where does that say that we won't fund him because he is Chief of Staff?"
 

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It is NOT General Levarge's job to ensure the military is adequately funded, it is the administration's job. His duty is to do what he can with the funds he is allocated. Therefore, if Levarge has to ensure that the military is being funded, the administration is not doing its job!
 

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That's interesting, the Cabinet doesn't know it's tasks.....interesting...
 

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"No no no no no no no! I mean that General Leverage has a right to ensure that the military is funded, which means:

General Leverage has the right to complain and get angry and request to the Government that the Military gets adequetly funded! He has the right to propose bills ensuring that the military will be funded! Is everyone happy?"
 

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Yes but HAS General Levrage to ensure that the Military is adequately funded? Why can't the Government take care of that? If the Government can't ensure adequate funding doesn't that make the Government at fault?
 

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Well, Mr. Gonzov, you've said that General Levarge HAS to ensure that the military is funded adequately and that it's his job. But now you've changed from saying it's his to job to ensure that the military is adequately funded to saying that it's his right to complain about it not being funded. You've admitted your own administration's incompetency in funding the military, possibly by accident, and I thank you for that, Mr. Gonzov.
 

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Here's what I think. Levarge is in a much better position than a government bureaucrat or a politician to assess how much funding is adequate. It's the government's job to comply with this. But the government also has many other concerns and responsibilities. So, a government bereaucrat or politician is in a better position to assess what the government is able to give. I'm no expert on the military and will never claim to be, so I ask this with no tinge of bitterness or sarcasm. Just what threats does Eutopia currently face that makes improving our military so urgent?
 

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Per O'Floinn, our Commission of Justice and noted television personality, has deigned to grace the airwaves with his presence, with an amusing and of course, politically motivated commentary. Given the paucity of recent entertainment of any type, the broadcast was welcome.

In terms of political commentary, which points appear to be valid, which are debatable, what wasn't said that would have been more apt, and which appear only to have value as entertainment? For your convenience we will annnotate the analysis of his commentary with V for valid, D for debatable, NS for not said, E for Entertainment. Portions not scoring on these criteria or simply reinforcing a subsequent or prior point will not be cited.

Phalanx said:
This term reminds me of Term VII. Why? There is zero going on in terms of cabinet activity.
Activity has been low. V I was not around in Term VII, but there were significant instances of cabinet inaction in Term IX as well. NS

Phalanx said:
Alexi Gonzov, who, by the way, is your MERL, in case you didn't know (and it would be understandable if you didn't) spends more time whining about Kazmierz Reczynski in the townhall than he spends in office.
E E Contrary to previous terms, much of the budget planning process, normally done by MERL in isolation has been recentered on the budget commission, in which MERL Gonzov participates. NS Alexi, also an ESA MGA is one of the more active members of the General Assembly. It remains an open question whether one can serve ably in both the cabinet and the GA at the same time. Tilly did so, but at the cost of his health.NS

Phalanx said:
And Gonzov's right. Yes, responsibility for arranging federal finances is reserved strictly to the military.
E

Phalanx said:
If I were President Sergei, I'd have replaced my entire cabinet by now.
The President was elected with the help of an endorsement from the P4P, so certain cabinet reshuffles would indicate consultation beforehand. NS
Phalanx said:
Keller started off with interesting proposals, but has mostly disappeared by now. Langley-style.
V V
Phalanx said:
Austri's been coasting along on the hard work of Tilly and Levarge. Although, to his credit, he's not getting in Levarge's way.
Tilly's hard work almost killed him, it would a shame if the majority of the unexecuted portion were useless, although it should probably be implemented along a more affordable timetable. D NS Austri appointed and promoted Levarge. V NS

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Gonzov probably doesn't remember where his office is.
E

As I will be representing some clients in cases before our esteemed Commissioner of Justice, I will leave of scoring at the point the commentary turned to me. I did apologize to him in private for not consulting him before pursuing two matters, but the actions themselves were in fulfillment of clear campaign promises, and so I could have been the first cabinet minister replaced if I had not followed up on them, and my sucessor would have undertaken similar actions, or suffered the same fate, like Nixon firing two Attorney Generals before he could find one that would dismiss Archibald Cox.

The final score is: Valid 4, Not Said 7, Entertaining 4, Debatable 1

Thus Per O'Floinn has delivered a skillful diatribe, sticking mostly to uncontroversial points, mixing in equal parts of useful observations and entertainment, for a superficially pleasing recipe, but one that is not nourishing, because all the while it was creating a false impression by leaving important points unsaid. Of course, there is always an infinity of things unsaid, but what was left out in this case was significant. He also neglected to comment on his own performance. I will allow him the implied figleaf of 'modesty forbids' and not add on any 'Not Said' points for that. I hope that he will hold himself to the same standard of activity he is now applying to the cabinet. The COJ has the right to attend the cabinet, so it is only fair. In direct dealings with him, I have always found him to be fair, so I expect that this will be the case.

Now let's see how the Canadian judge scored the broadcast...
 

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The fact is that we have practically no military. The leaders of our country prior to the succession crisis did not think we would have need of a military, but we certainly did. Now, with the Tilapian and St. Espritan states, we are severely threatened. We could either face an attack from our co-islanders, an attack between them and other nations, or an attack on them by other nations followed up with an attack on Eutopia. I do not know if you are aware of the Farpoint crisis, but I doubt the American government would have been so willing to order troops into the area if Eutopia had an effective military.
 

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Tilly's hard work almost killed him, it would a shame if the majority of the unexecuted portion were useless, although it should probably be implemented along a more affordable timetable.

I'm sorry, Per Fourgeres, but are you suggesting that hard work causes cancer? I'm going to have to score that one as an R, for Ridiculous.
 

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I'm sorry, Per Fourgeres, but are you suggesting that hard work causes cancer? I'm going to have to score that one as an R, for Ridiculous.
Ah! Per Tilly, I am glad to see your wit is as sharp as ever. I hope your treatment is proceeding well.

Body scans and post mortem exams reveal an extremely high incidence of pre-cancerous lesions and micro-tumors, in otherwise healthly people (in the first case) and people who died of unrelated causes (in the latter), so the potential, with an identifiable cause, is there in most of us. In some cases, the actions of our own immune system keep these potential causes in check. Not hard work, but overwork, to the point of exhaustion and sleep deprivation, weakens the immune response, and thus might let one of these already existing causes puncture the equilibrium, with an unfortunate result. Clearly there are more probable causes, like smoking or over exposure to UV rays, that are more likely to trigger such a result, but weakened immune response as contributing factor is merely a long shot, not completely ridiculous.

More importantly, had you been elected President, the increased workload, appointing cabinet ministers, etc., might have delayed your seeking an exam, and let the illness get completely beyond treatment, so in that sense if you had kept up your hard work a while longer, it may well have killed you.
 

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