Awakened said:
Objective of prisons is to seperate the criminals, the threats of the society from it. But this bill isn't about that it is about the basic rights of the people to defend themselfs and I fully support it.
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Objective of prisons is to seperate the criminals, the threats of the society from it. But this bill isn't about that it is about the basic rights of the people to defend themselfs and I fully support it.
Mr. Asre, surely as the AG you would see that the crime statistics do not back up that assertion. I would hope that you would urge the provinces to pass legislation upping prison time for criminals who bring weapons in the commission of a robbery and use that as a deterant.jacob-Lundgren said:
"Per Philipe, this bill is not about the right to defend yourself. It's about the right to shoot trespassers on sight. Have you even read it? The clue is in the title. It's the Property Defence Rights Act, and it's a mandate for vigilantism, extra-judicial execution and crowded trauma wards.
I have this to say to the Eutopian people. If you're worried about your safety, I urge you to find your local MGA. Tell him you want the crime rates cut further and tell him the way to do that is to get people working for a decent wage, not by making the neighbourhood resound to the sound of gunfire."
I have this to say to the Eutopian people. If you're worried about your safety, I urge you to find your local MGA. Tell him you want the crime rates cut further and tell him the way to do that is to get people working for a decent wage, not by making the neighbourhood resound to the sound of gunfire."
"Mr. Berenguerr, there is a flaw in your logic. The bill specifically states that force may only be used when an individual or his property is threatened. If use of force to respond to being threatened is not self-defense, I don't know what is. The government is not under no obligation to protect individuals who have broken the social contract if protecting them is at the cost of law-abiding citizens' properties, families or very lives.
"This is not about vigilantism. This is about dark moments where the government cannot react in time, and all you have to defend yourself is a piece of paper saying that what the criminal is doing is wrong. Would you rather have a dead child and her murderer living out the rest of his life safely prison, or a dead murderer and the child living out a free, unhindered full life? The choice is a no brainer."
"This is not about vigilantism. This is about dark moments where the government cannot react in time, and all you have to defend yourself is a piece of paper saying that what the criminal is doing is wrong. Would you rather have a dead child and her murderer living out the rest of his life safely prison, or a dead murderer and the child living out a free, unhindered full life? The choice is a no brainer."
A Press Conference in the Diamond Office Press Room is held
I thank the esteemed members of the Press for coming here today.
These past few months have been a tough time for citizens of both Tilapia and Eutopia. The confilct in New Bengal has solved little, and has only costed lives for people of every creed.
The Cease-Fire is a start, and that is why the Eutopian Government is hosting a Conference in London, UK, about matters of mutual concern to all those on the Island of Eutopia. I am inviting Queen Francesca and the Tilapian Government, as well as a Seperatist Delegation. I shall be attending this myself, hopefully along with the Amnesty International Worker, Reverend Woodrow Park.
Does anyone have any questions?
I thank the esteemed members of the Press for coming here today.
These past few months have been a tough time for citizens of both Tilapia and Eutopia. The confilct in New Bengal has solved little, and has only costed lives for people of every creed.
The Cease-Fire is a start, and that is why the Eutopian Government is hosting a Conference in London, UK, about matters of mutual concern to all those on the Island of Eutopia. I am inviting Queen Francesca and the Tilapian Government, as well as a Seperatist Delegation. I shall be attending this myself, hopefully along with the Amnesty International Worker, Reverend Woodrow Park.
Does anyone have any questions?
Why host it in London, not here? Do you know how much money the Queen and her hangers on will spend at a hotel?
A reporter in a pricey suit, along with a camera crew, walks up to Gonzov:
“Mr. President, this is Oakleaf Evening News reporter John Cohen here. Will you also be discussing anything related to CAFTA? Is this issue all you are addressing?”
“Mr. President, this is Oakleaf Evening News reporter John Cohen here. Will you also be discussing anything related to CAFTA? Is this issue all you are addressing?”
The People's Messenger would like to ask the following questions:
"What issues does the president plan to make a stance on and what compromises is he willing to make with the Tilapians and New Bengalis?"
"Why London and what part does the British government have in the discussions if any?"
"What about the Spanish, will they be at the discussions as well?"
"What issues does the president plan to make a stance on and what compromises is he willing to make with the Tilapians and New Bengalis?"
"Why London and what part does the British government have in the discussions if any?"
"What about the Spanish, will they be at the discussions as well?"
"What plan do you have to take to the conference? Will New Bengal recieve its right to self-determination?"
"Establishing whether or not someone was threatened is going to be difficult when if so they'll have already shot and killed the 'threat.' It is anyway unclear who decides whether someone is threatened. This bill is deliberately designed to prevent the police intervening.
Indeed, the regulation allowing escaping thieves to be shot, aside from being the essence of anti-humanism, also demonstrates Per Zhokhyen's distaste for the police. He doesn't like government, he doesn't like letting those who are qualified do their jobs, he doesn't like paying their wages.
The argument that this bill is necessary for the defence of homes doesn't ring true. You will not be jailed for shooting in self-defence. This bill aims to go far beyond it. It aims at the elimination of the police from this area and the fostering of the Eutopian small arms industry."
Indeed, the regulation allowing escaping thieves to be shot, aside from being the essence of anti-humanism, also demonstrates Per Zhokhyen's distaste for the police. He doesn't like government, he doesn't like letting those who are qualified do their jobs, he doesn't like paying their wages.
The argument that this bill is necessary for the defence of homes doesn't ring true. You will not be jailed for shooting in self-defence. This bill aims to go far beyond it. It aims at the elimination of the police from this area and the fostering of the Eutopian small arms industry."
"If there was no threat, Mr. Berenguerr, than the person who did the kiling goes to jail. Our police already investigate this sort of thing. I think it is you who have no faith in our police -- because your objections to this bill seem to be simply that its limitations are unenforcable. They are very enforcable. Those who kill when they should not will be prosecuted as usual. Those who commited the only logical course of action when their self, family or property is threatened are rightfully protected under the law.
"It isn't a prevention of police intervention. It is a prevention of unnecessary losses to criminals. Also, based on your lack of response, Mr. Berenguerr, I have to assume that you would indeed prefer a dead 5-year old girl and a murderer in prison than a dead would-be-murderer and a 5-year old girl who has a full, free life in front of her. How can you possibly accuse me of anti-humanism with a straight face?"
"It isn't a prevention of police intervention. It is a prevention of unnecessary losses to criminals. Also, based on your lack of response, Mr. Berenguerr, I have to assume that you would indeed prefer a dead 5-year old girl and a murderer in prison than a dead would-be-murderer and a 5-year old girl who has a full, free life in front of her. How can you possibly accuse me of anti-humanism with a straight face?"
Cat Frightener said:
I must say that you per Berenguerr always amaze me with your increadible concern for the criminals and lack of it when it comes to the actual victims. IF people are threatned or there property is threatned they should have the right to react and protect it.
The murderer is still a person. That's why you're anti-humanist. Me, I'd prefer neither dead. I'd prefer that where we didn't oblige criminals to go round armed and ready to shoot at the first opportunity if they want to feel safe. You shouldn't frighten a desperate man, they won't react well.
Nevertheless, I'm not inclined to reply to baseless slanders any longer. If you feel like taking out your anger on something non-sentient, I can recommend a few nice places for clay pigeon shooting. They don't slowly bleed to death from a gutshot.
Nevertheless, I'm not inclined to reply to baseless slanders any longer. If you feel like taking out your anger on something non-sentient, I can recommend a few nice places for clay pigeon shooting. They don't slowly bleed to death from a gutshot.
I hope you see the irony in that statement Per Tulp considering our nation entrusts you to kill others.HJ Tulp said:
This is turning out to be an interesting debate. I've got my thoughts on it, but i'll wait until it is introduced in the legislature.
"Yes indeed, our nation entrusts me and thousands of others to protect them and if it's neccesary, to kill. Yes that is true. However, killers aren't neccesarily murders. I'm allowed to kill in times of war and combat. I am just as every other Eutopian, not allowed to murder."Barkeep49 said: