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Thanx VultureGFF, I got the picture with Austria, I think I will play them right after i finish my current game.

However, it seems rather satisfying to grab large pieces of europe and America/Asdia or whatever by playing a medium size nation.
Has anyone tried Denmark or Sweden or countries on the fringe of Europe and kicked Spain/England/Russia butt? :D :D

That could be challenging:eek:
 

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Austria has got harder in IGC 2.3 - the Turks have been freed up to kick some serious ass. I'm playing as France (simply because it's my first run through and I want to try going hugenot) and Turkey has gobbled up so much land everywhere that Austria and Hungary have already virtually disappeared by 1575! So Austria may have just graduated to the toughest major to play. I'm cetainly going to give it a try next.
 

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played as Sweden many times...they really rock! Good monarchs and outstanding leaders. Just get rid of Denmark ASAP and then turn your eyes towards the Russian Bear...get land to Moscow and you can make peace with him very easy. I have made the Baltic Sea an Swedish "lake" many times...just surronded with my provinces. I really recommend playing as Sweden, they got colonial dynamics in 1700.
 

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OF the majors I must say Portugal, and it gets borring too

Don't listen to this guy :D He simply doesn't know a thing about Great Portugal.

Portugal is fun. Only Poland and Austria can compete. He says no warfare, right? Wrong. Great conquistadors during first part of the game allow Portugal to become great power. Morocco, Algiers, Oman, Ayuttaina (sp?), Mughal Empire and parts of Turkey and Dai Viet, with most of Africa and India covered with TPs, is Portugeese Empire in early 1550s. Add some BB wars and you have wonderful mix of colonization, diplomacy and warfare. Many people go for Inca first, but, IMHO, it become too easy this way.

England is hard? No. Didn't try it in IGC 2.3 but in earlier versions she had shields on all Scotish and Irish provinces, and diplo-annexation of Scotts during first 30 years was for sure. Moreover, during first 100 years England can colonize most of the world. Easy. Nobody can compete in colonization.

France? Not even worth to mention. Kill everyone in 100 years, or build up for 100 years and kill everyone in next 20-30.

Spain? Never tried. Should be easy. Don't take it unless go for world conquest.

Russia? Boring. Kill Khanates and colonize. Easy? Sure, with soooo cheap infantry.

Turkey? Fun. Hard? No.

Austria? Fun. No sence to bother with colonization at all, there are better things to do. Bohemia, Saxony and Bavaria should be diplo-annexed before 1530. Maybe Baden, Wurthumberg and Thuringen as well. Convert some minors for fun and continue diplo annexation after EoT. Only France can be headache during first 100 years.

Poland? Not that easy. Orthodox group, most provinces are not of state religion(s), years pass to recover stability, etc. It's hard to keep on pair in tech with Austria and Sweden, only clear goal is TO. Well, cavalry is cheap as dust, and leaders are good and plenty. Russia also can become of some importance. Recommend.

I would also recommend playing Sweden. Fun to fight three fron wars with Denmark, Russia and Poland, and last two are military monsters. Well, not very hard but fun.

Denamrk and Brandenburg/United Prussia can be fun to play as well. Alot of wars, some colonization, good position for diplomacy.
 

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I recommend: Hungary instead of Austria. Try it from the other side. Its challenging and fun, a little like poland, large, poor and surrounded by enemies, with the added bonus of being Europe's first line of defence against the heathens. I think the IGC made it too easy for Austria to unite with Bohemia, Hungary etc so its now more challenging to play from the other side.
 

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Originally posted by Alex The Commie
What do you think the toughest country is to play as. I think its Englad because once i tried and with all the rebels and the scots it near impossible to get anything done.

Try the Knights of St. John. That should prove a challenge.
When you play England, make sure to crush the Scots immediately and let Calais fall to France. That'll give you peace and time to gain strenght. Then go for Spanish Latin America and you've won the game.

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from personal exp for majors i find Poland very easy...a quick grab into golden horde within first 4 months annex her station a few armies to control the rebels and sink all your money into tax collectors and building an army or 2 on russian border...wait till russia goes to war with sweden or teutonics and rush in once shes commited and grab 3 of her lands going for those with highest cash value and you will effectively neuter russia forever...then drop couple small armies into garrison and build 1 more solid army to hit teutonics...grab all but her capitol to keep badboy reasonable ...dont annex prussia's or teutonics capitoals yet...seems less badboy hit if you reduce countries to 1 prov first then hit em later to annex...by 1520 or so when i play teutonics prussia and ryazan are all 1 prov states, russia is reducded uslaly minus novgorod, vladirmir and khazan in first war i usually hit them again by 1530 to take other khazan prov tver and the othe prov with polands shield...if you feel like it also throwing 1 army into crimea during your war with russia to grab kalmuk for the manpower <neutering crimea> ie a solid state with controlled neighbors without too much penalties....i often end up 1st or second in pts and rarely drop...in many games ive gone for various themes ..world conquest trade wars, diplo war <had 17 vassals :)>..so for those who say poland is hard try again its easy..........

in order majors: france easiest i think...decent central position, rich provinces and large numbers of 1 province 2 prov neighbors to gobble during wars all of which are usually fairly rich...you build manpower and tax base up and spain will regret being near you at all
russia if poland isnt being played smart shes easy to buy off and russia drives south and gobles...by 1520 my russia already conquered khazan, golden horde, sibir, astrakhan and diplo annexed pskov and ryazan and with that land bridge i had sent 2 waves of 12k cavalry with the early conquistador <first with him second 2 months behind to resupply> and mapped out the entiure land bridge corrdior into kamchatka and discovered china...giving me access to her cot :)
england if you buy off france and avoid gettign whacked in war over calis you can come out very well...keep a garrison handy to keep the irish subjugated and either diplo or militarily conquer scotland asap i prefer diplo...also i will usually work myself into alliance where i can war against spain early on...i always go for the netherlands controling that region as france or england is very good for taxes and opening up options...for england it makes eventual annexing diplo of hessen and hanover easy...go figure i dont polay england as just a colinial power hehe i usually take my corner of europe and then sit back...my prefered provs..hannover, hessen, hanseatic league and of course all the netherlands and the english isles
poland as i said before...a simply well executed plan and you will have no real threats for long time...diplo the west conquer the east..eventually your only threat will be turkey and 1 enemy to focus on is good
spain a scattered position early on makes it tough..defending the netherlands can be real mean vs france early on...your provinves starting arent very rich so those north american provs are very important as is holding the netherlands..you have to hit france early on as you can afford and hurt her good...key doint go for provs on south border...go for caux picardie and normandie if ya can..that deprives france of 6 manpower and gives it to you..they only medium tax values but id rather reduce her ability to buiuld armies..watch how many little guys you goble during wars...gobble ones that will eventually turn protestant since you can always play the diplo game and eventually get the catholic ones..also key trick...send money to england during her wars with france..the longer and harder england fights the better for you...ive also had several games both played by me and by computer where spain diplo annexes austria..talk bout nice addition
turkey like russia you get to be conquerer..but unlike russia your badboy seems to hurt more...taking mameluks early on is a must..whether do it in one war or 2 is the question i go for 1...and soon after turn on persia and try my best to gobble her in one go...with these 2 gone you are safe in the safe to use diplo means to annex all of africa middle east anbd even mughals...also in my games i try to get golden horde into alliance <i usually get astrakhan golden horde, nubia and arabia into my alliances early on> this keeps russia off balance and small as i can act to cut down her adventures..it also gives me more allies to attack poland if needed...as i vassalize i can either drop em till later or annex them to make room to get crimea soon as i can shoring up the border...europe can wait till im rdy ...spend time building up tax base as many neglect to do..leaving turkey short on cash to build those excellent troops
austria early on you wont be much for the military option by diplomacy is easy...you should have no trouble building failry quickly...dont go too fast or badbpy will still hurt and beware your allies could drag you into wasteful wars <as austria money is better spent buying vassals then troops> main dangers ive seen over and over is turkey attacking hungary and bohemia attacking poland both which can be very costly wars...however both can be useful if your allies lose 1 or 2 provs each making them easier to diplo annex. in order i go for diplo annex of bohemia, hungary, bavaria, venice, milan, modena, tuscany, genoa, savoy, baden...takes time but not too hard to do...oft times i will make em vassals let the alliance run out and join the alliance that has the next ones i want to work on them...the more vassals the better the cash flow and you can spread out the annexing to keep badboy in hand...keep in mind which countries will go protestant <all ones on my list are usually perm catholic> sometimes i will go for saxony and brandenburg early on instead hoping to grab before they change over...auystria isnt very hard over all..but takes bit more patience and self control to stay with the plan...i find myself eager to conquer something..especially when my allies get into war...but you need to avoid unecessary badboys so that you can diplo easier <higher badboy semes to reduce the odds of them saying yes> also nice trick to use...vassalize as many protestants as you can and try to keep in state of war with small nobody nations you cant reach till they convery...dont invite your allies to war so they will convert <seems i almost never see a country at war convert unless its a player nation> being at war will keep them from breaking the vassalizations then you can keep the income from the vastly better economies they get as protestants
Portugal hardest...slowest to build and takes infinitely more patience...avoid war with spain for long time bid your time...but patience is the key..i find her to be challenging and if i had more patience she would be a good country to try...but alas im a bit too expansionistic :)


minors : easiest to play and recommended
netherlands starting with 2 provs..it isnt hard to build alliance with hannover hessen cologne and eithe palatinate or brandenburg and attack spain to liberate your lands...usually i can get 3 home provs <hague, zeeland and flandres in first war while at same time annexing lorraine who always seems to fight for spain ...sometimes cologne will fall to spain during this sometimes not...make sure your general is free to seige steal should your allies be close to conquest <had cologne messing uo my plans one game> second war grab artois and the other h named prov i forget, and either cologne if spain owns it or luxembourg if she doesnt <thats why i conquer lorraine for 2 reasons a. lowers all relations so i can string out marriages at will to all and to keep me in striking range of franche conte which you need to take to get enough victory clout to get what you want..once your homeland secure sink monek into vassalizing cologne hessen and hanover and later annexing if you can..presto a solid strong littel state that kicks ass
china tricky...not fun sicne you cant build buildings or such but i changed that...i work with premise that genghi's policies rubbed off on china in accepting and tolerating other religions just in case...so my china since the spice trade has brought so much contact with the middle east has also brought a religious wave of change..i edit china to sunni...allowing her to build...it restrains her ability to diplo annex korea, vietnam, cambodia or japan but i think makes if far more fun to play...plus the same religion hit for war doesnt make sense for her...her pagan beliefs were always dif from japan etc...this trick will also work for any of the asian pagans japan makes a good second...china is powerful but you need to hope you get a explorer and conquistador by event or your expansion will be very slow till someone finds you...optional is trying shiite..but with the way shiites were in hiding most of time and power of sunni...i tend to believe if they chose one to change to they would chose the stronger one in world affairs...also reasoning why didnt chose catholic...moslems represented a greater influence in chinese affairs to that point in history with trade and such while catholicism/chrstianity was unknown more or less <rumors of overland missionaries abound> and of course cant chose protestant or lutheran..they dont exist yet
sweden good littel nation build an army, declare war on denmark grab a province or 2 get peace and build slowly but surely...wait till russia is at war for while and reach in and grab a prov or 2 same for teutonic knights...go slow dont overextend...all in all not too hard to play
persia rich, easy to defend land <attrition works for you on defence> your diplo growth will be stunted as you cant annex anyone by those means cept mameluks assuming they live <forming an alliance with them early on may save them> build up colonize and explore india and invade the countries of india...with their manpower added and wealth you can go after crimea, astrakhan...and later turkey...a true challenge and thrill to play...next to netherlands this really is my favorite minor to play ... but its not the easiest

hardest minors to play
inca, aztec, iroquois...all of which are stunted...even when i change their religions and change their type to latin or such they still cant build buildings...unsure what else i can change ...perhaps in country ai description to alow this...till they can build buildings they wont be able to grow well or have most of options of play other countries do kinda like running a footrace with one foot...if can be done...just more difficult
aden...you got a halfstrength city and 2 colonies...no army to speak of and crap for cash...have a good day
pskov...yes ive sene her gain province..but 10 times out of 11 pskov ends up conquered by teutonics, sweden, russia or poland within 30 yrs...as a player maybe those odds will drop...but her options are limited and friends even fewer
ragusa...do i need say more? or is it obvious enough ?
 

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Originally posted by Admiral Yi

I tried Portugal but found it duller than dust. When do you guys find that the game picks up for her?

Portugal can be great fun. I played my last game with the regular GC as Portugal. Basically I used the bulk of my colonists to make TP's everywhere, and placed a few strategic colonies. Luckily the all ended up as immensely rich CoT's.

Since I stayed out of European affairs I only had 3 wars on my hand for 300 years of which I simply paid my way out of 2.

The money was simply gushing into my treasury in incredible amounts so I was far in the lead in every imaginable technology. Yet my empire was extreme vulnerable, since a determined alliance could burn all my TP's in no time plunging my head first from immense wealth to immense poverty. Great fun.

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In one of my P-L games I decided to have absolutley no tolerance for Orthodox right from ther get go....

1 month later chaos reigned supreme, but it sure was fun.
 

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Originally posted by Crusader_85
The Teutonic Order will not be defeated!!!!!!!!!!

Well, they won't with you in command-human players rarely lose to the AI in the game. You just play "Balance of Power" while the AI plays "which is the stupidest nation I can ally with!":D
 

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Multiplayer is what it is all about

Hardest nation in multiplayer...

France and Austria share that pain....
Third is Polen-Litauen....

why?

France is bogged down in heavy wars..unable to shake off the spanish..
In our games France has not been able to even annex Bretagne..
Austria has the almost invincible turk..

now im talking ALL human players..forget about AI..
in 3 games straight the Austrian buckled under the pressure...
France hadnt conquered shit and always lost to Spain.

England is easy..they are alone on an island..
Portugal....uhm with protection from spain..YAY
without ehhhh.

Jan
 

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Out of curiosity, what is multiplayer like in this game? I can easily see where having a functioning brain in the head of one's opponent would increase the challenge immeasurably, but I wonder how you handle the time issues? I play this game V-E-R-Y S-L-O-W-L-Y and I would imagine that other human opponents would scream (to its credit, the computer opponent is remarkably patient, even if it does occasionally decide to "overturn the board" and dump us to the desktop).

So what speed do you play at, how do you handle pauses, and - perhaps the best measure of all - how long does it take to do 100 years of game time?
 

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Hardest minor: Any american nation. You have no ability to build anything, you cannot use diplomacy, you have no settlers, unless you get the settler event. Anything i miss? Oh yeah, play as the Aztecs/Incas, and you get Spain on you superfast.
As for majors, almost every single one is easy to play with. Even a minor in europe can be asy, if you manage to placate the biiger brothers round you.
 

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In my opinion, the easiest to play are Austria and Portugal.

Austria is easy as long as you ally with Hungary. From there, you can either conquer the small German states to your west, Italy in the south, or build your economy.
Portugal is also easy, but as many have said, kind of boring. (make sure you're good w/Spain, tho)
Russia, Spain, and France, for me, are medium.
England, Turkey, and P-L are the hardest for me. Turkey starts off good in the begining, but eventually the major Christian powers will attack. England is hard if you let Scotland build power and let France pick on you through the game. P-L is VERY hard for me because you are always at war with someone, and there are many religious rebellions.
 

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England has plenty of challenges, but once you figure out how to deal with France the rest becomes easy enough. Against France, England should either give up Calais or keep a big army in the heart of France (start by taking Normandy and Orleannais). France will then DOW you enough so you don't have to worry about badboy points.
 

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Originally posted by Allemand
England has plenty of challenges, but once you figure out how to deal with France the rest becomes easy enough. Against France, England should either give up Calais or keep a big army in the heart of France (start by taking Normandy and Orleannais). France will then DOW you enough so you don't have to worry about badboy points.

Recreating or exceeding the Angevin Empire is incredibly easy as England-and removing France entirely gets rid of one of your main Colonial annoyances. And Calais is well placed as a jump off point for taking care of the other!:D
 

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Multiplayer

Well at 1 minute 1 month..the games chucks along.and we're lucky to finish off 100 years in one week-end...
Crashes slows us down..but it's more stable at this speed..
Food is nice too, and sleep :D
At that pace..anyone can play anything...

At 2 months = 1 min.
Only VETERAN players can do spain...practice with RTS games needed.
Austria is bloody hell...England becomes a nightmare..
But Spain will die with inexperienced player at this level.
But this way we can finish almost 200 years in one go...


As I said earlier..Austria and France without doubt the hardest..
England is isolated on its island and can do whatever without threats.
Single player is just walk in the park compared to mplay..
Annexing 1 province = nice vicory
2 provinces = Glorious total victory
3 provinces = Unheard of blashphemic demand..