Total unrealistical mod

[unmerged(62517)]

Actually I told you the facts but you guys refuse to accept them.

1) Bulgaria raised 500k soldiers that does not mean they got placed on the field. THey had about 6 divisions on the battlefield.....
Now if you can show me solid proof that not only did Bulgarai actual field over 33 divisions and equiped them all (by themselves withought foreign aid) then I will reconsider this.

Hmmm....http://orbat.com/site/ww2/drleo/032_bulgaria/1941_oob/_army_41.html puts the Royal Bulgarian Army at a strength of 15 divisions, 20 regimental groups and 19 battalions upon the eve of Operation Barbarossa (June 22, 1941). Now if we say there are 3 battalions per regiments, 3 of which make up a brigade, and of which 3 of these make a division (all middle estimates), the extra formations make up ~3 divisions.

Thus the strength of the Royal Bulgarian Army is 18 divisions at the start of Barbarossa, 3 times your 6 divisions modelled. this far

This number would only burgeon as Bulgaria shifted into total war as the success of the German blitzkrieg was rolled back.

The minors weren't "minor" in terms of numbers. Looking at wikipedia, Yugoslavia had 850,000 men deployed when it was invaded, and Greece 350,000. The Germans had to use shock, encirclements and exploitation into the rear, which shattered morale (see what happened at the Metaxas Line - stubborn Greek resistance, but after being surrounded by a flanking move from the Yugoslav side, official surrender), to achieve their startling victories (hence the term blitzkrieg).

This German wiliness is already achievable under your "slow battles, speedy movement" mod philosophy, which allows for fixing and flanking like never before.

 

[Lothos]

YOu are incorrect the average troop count in a Bulgarian division was around 8,000.

And Banzored I am going to make this argument real simple for you cause the army numbers your throwing out are COMPLETELY WRONG!

THis is how it is if you don't like it play another mod cause your sorces are incorect. This is starting to really annoy me how some people feel their countries army should be 10 times better than what it was historically.

 

[Bulgarian]

First off, you said that Yugoslavia had 850.000 men deployed when it was attacked by the Axis, that I can tell you is wrong, it just isn't right. That maybe how many men that fell in the age ranks (regarding health). But a country like Yugoslavia did not have the economy to fully mobilize 850.000 and surely could not supply them. Now as far as Bulgaria goes, it never had more then 480.00 men in the army, and that was with full support by Soviet forces, they received their supplies form the USSR not Bulgaria thats why we where able to mobilize 420.000 people. "...the size of the armed forces increased to 450 000 troops (including 40 000 volunteers), or as much as 7%..." that was after the Soviets took Bulgaria. And as for Bulgaria pushing the Nazis back to Austria that is true, but only the First Army was there and it was supported by over Two million men from the Red Army and around 2000 tanks part of the Ukrainian Front. So while I would like to see Bulgaria powerful its not realistic and last time I checked this is the Total Realism Project. So in my opinion minors are fine as they are

 

[Lothos]

Here is some more facts for you

http://web.jjay.cuny.edu/~jobrien/reference/ob62.html

Read your wikpedia article again. The Bulgarian 500k army was by the end of 1944. They never suffered ANY casulaties throught the war. The link above shows Bulgaria with 6million population and only suffering 10k casulaties. Hungary with 10 million population suffering over 120k casualties.

So AS I SAID Bulgaria DID NOT have a 500k army 1936-1944. If you play Bulgaria AND DO NOT attack anything and do what the did historically which was to sit in their country and play with their wooden toys then you can do the same thing and raise your 500k army.

Subject closed!

 

[unmerged(17228)]

Lothos lays the smackdown. :rofl:

 

[Rick Middleton]

Fiendix, I would truncate your quote somewhat. You're quoting a considerable bit of that individuals text, and as such are probably stepping over the lines in terms of intellectual property rights.

 

[Lothos]

Fiendex please do not advertise your mod in this sub forum. Do it at the main scenarios moding sub forum this forum is for TRP. If you do it again I will lock the thread and split it from this thread and move your post to the other thread.

Edited: I split the thread already since your post was so huge and such a large description of your mod it was better to put it in the main modding forum.

 

[unmerged(12303)]

and such a large description of your mod it was better to put it in the main modding forum.

ke? did you even read what I wrote? I posted information about the size of the bulgarian army in 34, 41 and 44 as thats what the discussion was about and thought it would be helpfull for YOUR mod! Where did I advertise? It was not a description of my mod but of reality which seems that your mod is to be based on...no need to get touchy... jeez.

 

[Lothos]

Your opening sentece you said you where thinking about this for the introduction of your mod.

So it was safe to assume you planed on making a Bulgarian mod based off
this thread.

out of interest as I was looking at the subject for my mod:

 

[unmerged(12303)]

Does that mean come play my mod?

It means I came across / was researching a similar topic / thinking about the same problem (pick what sounds better) as we also have been changing ic to make things historic. Since it looks like a solid source with good numbers I quoted it for the benefit of the discussion as I think its GOOD to share information since you have the same issue. What you do with that info is your business. Guess I shouldnt do that in the future.........why would i do a single nation mod anyways...

 

[Lothos]

hehe no clue just came accross as a mod advertisement. Nothing personal.

 

[unmerged(62517)]

"In spring of 1941, the mobilized Bulgarian armed forces consisted of 16 infantry divisions, two cavalry divisions, one motorized brigade, seven air regiments, as well as of special and service units. "

"Hmmm....http://orbat.com/site/ww2/drleo/032...b/_army_41.html puts the Royal Bulgarian Army at a strength of 15 divisions, 20 regimental groups and 19 battalions upon the eve of Operation Barbarossa (June 22, 1941)...
Thus the strength of the Royal Bulgarian Army is 18 divisions at the start of Barbarossa, 3 times your 6 divisions modelled."

"bulgarian army:

1934 - 103 000 personnel
1941 - 230 000 personnel
1944 - 440 000 personnel"

had more than 500,000 troops + 500 warplanes by the end of the war."

And Banzored I am going to make this argument real simple for you cause the army numbers your throwing out are COMPLETELY WRONG!

Give'em 15-20IC.

 

[Lothos]

no

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