Total unrealistical mod

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Total realistic mod!?

I downloaded the mod with great expectation hoping to find a whole bunch of events new textures,I did but i also found a big change you made with the IC of some countries(saw only those in europe especially the balkans):Romania 19,Yugoslavia 11,Greece 8,Bulgaria 6,Albania 2.The production capacity is below every possible standard in Hearts of iron universe.For Romania no major problem but for the rest...well it is impossible to play!I start a game with Bulgaria(6 IC)in original Doomsday it had 20 or 19 ic which was quite realistic.So can you guys who made the mod tell me how am i suppose to govern a small balkan country with 6(8,11...) IC??????? cause i tried and it was impossible.
I first destroyed all my divisions in order to stop the horrible supplies consumation, stared a basic machine tools upgr(which added 0.00 to my Ic for obvious reasons 5%.6.00=0.3)and a factory in Sofia and guess what???I needed 5.20 on consumer goods and i had more then enought to build a factory 0.80,ladies and gents!And thats not all,it appears you guys made some of the countries completely lacking basic resources,as Bulgaria i ve got the incredible production of 9 energy,3 or 4 metal and thats all about it,no rare resources at all!with such a IC and with these resources i can`t even build a wooden cottage.Vanilla IC for balkan countries was far far more realistical than this,made by you.
I`ll give an example in 1915 Bulgaria mobiliesed 600000 man for the great war,thats about 60 divisions(far more for Doomsday scale),make them 30,the IC by this time would be about 4 or 5 by Total realism project standarts . How can you create so much supplies with 5 IC??
Guess the soldiers went on hunting for lunch :rofl:.It is impossible to achieve if not having at least the vanilla 19(20)IC of Doomsday.No need to mention that equipment in 1940ies would be more expensive.Bulgaria mobilised (not completely sure)about 400000 troops during WW2(not to mention about 1 armored division and 5,6 squadrons of fighters and 1 of cas).If someone can make 20 not 40(Inf) divisions with 6 Ic and so little ressource production,send me the pic pls!

I wondered if you had plans for modifying IC one more time?Cause instead of decreasing small countries IC why don`t you increase it for bigger ones?
Or atleast increase just a little bit the production of energy and metal/

Anyway this is my opinion,i just wanted to share it with you(the team)

ps:You have add so much nice events lol.
While checking the aircraft section of the tech menu i couldn`t find jet powered aircraft technology did you removed it ?

 

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ioi @ patriot1









its better to sit there and look a fool then to speak and remove all doute

 

[Lord of Pain]

I checked up a bit of the military statistic on Bulgaria during WW2. The Bulgarians had about 6 divisions in 1944, they had bought those tanks which you speak of, and their army had obsolete equipment.


It is recommended to play as a major in TRP, simply 'cause it's much more fun for the player.

 

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I checked up a bit of the military statistic on Bulgaria during WW2. The Bulgarians had about 6 divisions in 1944, they had bought those tanks which you speak of, and their army had obsolete equipment.


It is recommended to play as a major in TRP, simply 'cause it's much more fun for the player.

Guess you re right about the army,as i said i was not sure,yet i am surprised a little bit with this small number,they occupied a lot of ground in Greece and Macedonia between 1941-44 maybe you`ve checked the army that liberated Yugoslavia after the coup(9 sept 44)?!The equipment wasn`t so obsolete inf 1939(cause i ve seen a lot mp 39-40 and which were created between 1939-1940),panzer 2,3,4,and meserchimits bf-109,avia 135 and some stukas).
I couldn`t find any effective way to buy divisions and equipment in Doomsday (probably becouse i always wanted german equipment and they needed it so much)I guess Doomsday is concentated in production of military units not buying so there is no other sufficient way to build an army.

I started a game as Ger yesterday it is more fun but i don`t undestand why did the team changed the economics so much?!It didn`t make a big difference from the prespective of the major powers it only handicaped the small nations around the map.

 

[Lothos]

Bulgarias army uses hardly no supplies. THey use the Guerilla Warfar line in the Tech Tree which means their infantry have almost no supply usage.

I am sorry you feel that every country should be playable but that is not historical. The major powers constituted about 99% of the world GDP and the rest of it was spread out through minor countries. This is a fact you are going to have to accept if you want to play the TRP mod. If you can not except it then you can either edit the mod yourself or play Vanilla.

 

[Micah Goodman 2]

This is one reason (of many) why I like this mod. In Vanilla you can conquer the world as Canada if you are a good enough of a player. Some countries are minor and had little direct impact on the war. Most of the Balkan countries fall into this category. I am not trying to slight any one's national pride but facts are facts. Of the European Axis nations only Italy had a large scale impact on the war. Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, and Finland all had limited effect on the war. At best they tied up Soviet divisions from other fronts, like Finland at worse they were a drain on German efforts to the war effort. I laugh when I see AAR's where someone conquers the world as Outer Slabobia or some such tiny low IC country. If you want to player a minor nation strive for better historic results. If you can do that then I would consider that a win.

 

[CmdKewin]

Well. Vanilla HoI is SUPPOSED to be a "what if" type of game, last time I checked (I haven't played vanilla in god knows how long ). I had the same "problems" first time I used T.R.P, mostly because I was used to Stony Road: the fact that I couldn't, as Romania, conquer my Balkan Neighbours (as I usually do) right from the start (say '37) was a major drawback, and I had to adapt. To be honest, I'm better at playing with minors that with the Big Ones: 90 Infantry divisions plus 38 Armored plus 20 Motorized weren't able to go past the Meuse Line, you get the idea.

 

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I am appalled. How can you defend the miserably low IC alloted to Bulgaria? Bulgaria (http://www.bulgaria.com/history/bulgaria/war2.html) had more than 500,000 troops + 500 warplanes by the end of the war. 6IC will give her an army of 50,000 at best. 6IC is ahistorical, unrealistic. It shows that TRP's gameplay is based on the prejudice and misconception that Germany fought a single-handed heroic struggle against the rest of the world, and thus is only suitable for the budding Nazis among us to play.

And having Bulgaria use the Guerilla Warfare doctrinal line is not a solution. Bulgaria did not fight as guerillas. They just had bad anti-tank weapons, that's all.

EDIT: BTW after Bulgaria switched sides, they managed to push the Germans back to Klagenfurt, Austria at war's end. So much for the Nazi superman history of WWII.

 

[Lord of Pain]

I am appalled. How can you defend the miserably low IC alloted to Bulgaria? Bulgaria (http://www.bulgaria.com/history/bulgaria/war2.html) had more than 500,000 troops + 500 warplanes by the end of the war. 6IC will give her an army of 50,000 at best. 6IC is ahistorical, unrealistic. It shows that TRP's gameplay is based on the prejudice and misconception that Germany fought a single-handed heroic struggle against the rest of the world, and thus is only suitable for the budding Nazis among us to play.

And having Bulgaria use the Guerilla Warfare doctrinal line is not a solution. Bulgaria did not fight as guerillas. They just had bad anti-tank weapons, that's all.

EDIT: BTW after Bulgaria switched sides, they managed to push the Germans back to Klagenfurt, Austria at war's end. So much for the Nazi superman history of WWII.

After reading through your source, I just want to say:



ALL HAIL ROMANIA, OUR SAVIOR!

 

[DarkStriker]

After reading through your source, I just want to say:



ALL HAIL ROMANIA, OUR SAVIOR!

I second this post!

 

[Lothos]

I am appalled. How can you defend the miserably low IC alloted to Bulgaria? Bulgaria (http://www.bulgaria.com/history/bulgaria/war2.html) had more than 500,000 troops + 500 warplanes by the end of the war. 6IC will give her an army of 50,000 at best. 6IC is ahistorical, unrealistic. It shows that TRP's gameplay is based on the prejudice and misconception that Germany fought a single-handed heroic struggle against the rest of the world, and thus is only suitable for the budding Nazis among us to play.

And having Bulgaria use the Guerilla Warfare doctrinal line is not a solution. Bulgaria did not fight as guerillas. They just had bad anti-tank weapons, that's all.

EDIT: BTW after Bulgaria switched sides, they managed to push the Germans back to Klagenfurt, Austria at war's end. So much for the Nazi superman history of WWII.

THat is your opinion and since you have no idea what the concept is behind the Guerilla Warfare line in TRP I am not surprised.

Bulgarias army was trained to fight in rough terrain. THey where not open combat fighters. Their army was designed to fight in the mountains and forest since that was what the Baklans where predominately. THey had little to no mobile forces.

You assumption that Bulgarias army was an actual force to be recon with is exactly that an assumption which in turn is part of the prejudice of people fealling their home country is was stronger in that time period than what it truly is.

It is very possible with 6IC to have a 500k army by the war ends for Bulgaria as long as they do not suffer casualties.

Sorry you can not conquer the world anymore with Bulgaria but if that is what you want then go and play Vanilla and leave TRP for hardcore historical players.

Thanks

Sincerely Lothos

 

[CmdKewin]

Sorry you can not conquer the world anymore with Bulgaria but if that is what you want then go and play Vanilla and leave TRP for hardcore historical players.

Yes, but you can't even with Majors, if you DON'T follow events precisely the historical way. I.E, if you wait until mid 1941 to attack France, they are a lot tougher... I guess that would actually be plausible, but then, if the Vichy event doesn't fire anymore, it's another story entirely. I surely did some wrong choices.

 

[Lothos]

There are reasons why events happened historically. When you go A-Historical you have to accept the results. You can't expect that France will sit and do nothing while you build a massive army up till 1941 to attack them with. Ofcourse they will build an army to.

 

[CmdKewin]

Sure But then results where the same. That is, with me landing in plymouth

 

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So seriously, you guys have no probs with Bulgaria having 6IC?

 

[kaasbris]

I don't play MOD, but just vanilla, because vanilla is challenging enough for me(even though I am considering MOD now), yeah I am very lousy player. But let me note some my thought on this topic:

I've played some MOD of EU2 and they tend to go over-ambitous and fail to adjust balance between nations. I believe that's not their fault as there are too many factions when compared to other games(4 of warcraft, dozen of Civilization).

Focusing major and the fact is a good approach as MOD, I believe, and sometimes it's the only way that MOD be fun to play. When I feel unsatisfied with some minor which I play, I just edit data for fun. This is better for me as well, since I know, when I play other nation, I always end up to find previous edited nation gets too strong thus harm overall balance and fun of MOD.

Whatever, we cannot blame modder with harsh language on any circumstances after they spent time and money for free, also for fun of us.

 

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So seriously, you guys have no probs with Bulgaria having 6IC?

None whatsoever. I do find it amusing when these people from random, irrelevant and utterly insignificant countries start pouding their fists in rage that it isn't appreciated. So thanks for that, anyway.

 

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So afterall i was right about how big was the bulgarian army during ww2 was,such a pity no one here is paying any attention to the facts in the site,Banzored! showed in his first post and instead most of the people are making unsuccesful attempts to make jokes rather than thinking just a bit how ahistorical the game had become with this mod!I have no problems any more with that,there is always the vanilla hoi,though i am rather dissapointed by the arrogance of most of the players of TRP ,you are facing the facts and you still don`t want to think about it.
Have a happy new year and a lot of "realistic" games on this "historical" mod!

 

[Lothos]

Actually I told you the facts but you guys refuse to accept them.

1) Bulgaria raised 500k soldiers that does not mean they got placed on the field. THey had about 6 divisions on the battlefield. You do realized 500k is about half the size of the army that Germany used to invade Russia with. Bulgaria neither had the infrastructure or resources to equip 500k soldiers. They posted the propaganda as how many they could get.

Now if you can show me solid proof that not only did Bulgarai actual field over 33 divisions and equiped them all (by themselves withought foreign aid) then I will reconsider this. But as it stands now and all the research we have done Bulgaria never fielded 33 divisions (15,000 soldiers on average per divisions). THey also got most of their equipment from Germany.

Those are the facts so until you either prove them wrong then I suggest you accept the fact that Bulgaria is NOT a MAJOR POWER!

 

[Lord of Pain]

So afterall i was right about how big was the bulgarian army during ww2 was,such a pity no one here is paying any attention to the facts in the site,Banzored! showed in his first post and instead most of the people are making unsuccesful attempts to make jokes rather than thinking just a bit how ahistorical the game had become with this mod!I have no problems any more with that,there is always the vanilla hoi,though i am rather dissapointed by the arrogance of most of the players of TRP ,you are facing the facts and you still don`t want to think about it.
Have a happy new year and a lot of "realistic" games on this "historical" mod!

If you read his source, you probably get why me and Darkstriker joked about it. If you don't, just ask and I'll tell you.

And have Happy New Year yourself