Total annexation question

[Sir_Dinkalot]

Hello everyone

Ok, I've learned that you have to meet some requirements to annex a region (claims and other stuff), but here's my question: Can't you take over territories if you are the one that's being attacked?

I've finished the tutorial and I'm playing on with Leon (it's Castille now, after a series of events). All of a sudden one of the infidels has declared war on me. I've managed to fend of the invading army, other nations have joined my holly war and I've taken over his territories.

So, should I have just fought against him until I could force peace upon him? I'm feeling a bit stupid now, since I have spent so much time and resources fighting this war without getting anything in return. I've taken over all of the enemy's territories. Isn't there a way I can get something out of this war? Again, I'me that one that got attacked in the first place.

 

[kmh42]

Ok, I've learned that you have to meet some requirements to annex a region (claims and other stuff), but here's my question: Can't you take over territories if you are the one that's being attacked?

No! There are only four possible outcomes of a war.

1. The attacker wins and gets what the CB was for. (territory, claimant on the throne, independence,...)
2. White Peace. The attacke lose some prestige
3. The defender wins and the attacker lose much prestige and money. (No terretory for the defender)
4. War becomes invalid. In this case the war ends from one day of the other and nothing else happens.

Go to the wiki for more info: http://www.ckiiwiki.com/Warfare

 

[shiro the bushi]

as a defender you wont get anything from winning besides some prestige piety and some gold (depending on the CB)

 

[Dahoota]

It's also worth noting that if you defeat an attacker, the money cost for them is so high it usually leaves them bankrupt for a couple of years making them vulnerable to being attacked immediately (I think the cost is about 2 years of income?). The morale of their troops will be lower and malus' will start appearing on their holdings.

Attacking them immediately means they will be forced to raise their troops and be bankrupt even longer. Of course because you just beat them, their troops count will likely be lower than normal too.

Oh, and because they gave you a bunch of money you'll have funds for mercs

 

[Jamoliso]

Since you were the defender in the war, all you really win are prestige and war reparations in the form of money. However, you mentioned that you sieged down every holding in your attackers land, if that is the case they will literally have no soldiers to fight back against you. Since you are in fighting in the Iberian peninsula I recommend that you choose your Causus Belli with care. Even if this guy that attacked you is weak, the best belli that you could use against him is a holy war which allows you to gain a duchy at a time. Keep in mind that nearby sunni rulers will join him. So you must either get some allies yourself, use the money you just won on mercenaries and quickly siege all of the territories with depleted levies (it should go down pretty easily), or concentrate you forces to attack all of the allies before they congregate into a single army stack.

Also, it is impossible to gain land in a defensive war.

Also register your game.

 

[mjohnson85]

You can mod cbs so that you can keep land you occupy at the end of the war (with limitations of your choice). I do it my personal mods to great effect. Makes wars in general more risky and realistic. It is an aspect that feels lacking in vanilla.

 

[Sir_Dinkalot]

Thanks for all your replies

Looks like I've learned a lesson the hard way. I've waged a long ware for almost nothing. So I guess that a good rule is to make peace as soon as your ware score is 100%, if you are on the defensive. Since I've sieged all of my opponent lands, he didn't have much money left to give me when I made peace.

I've also started chewing through the WIki. It's a really good read and I'm applying everything I've learned in a new game with Essex. Thanks again for the helpful tips

 

[flammable888]

do you need the homosexual trait to "beat off" an attacker ?

 

[kmh42]

do you need the homosexual trait to "beat off" an attacker ?

I don't understand you question. Is it in anyway related to the tread topic?

 

[EmperorG]

Sadly unlike Europa Universalis or quite literally any other Paradox strategy game, CK has the most restricted war diplomacy of them all. So you're unable to do much of anything, or get anything for beating your enemies.

 

[LeSingeAffame]

Well you get money, prestige, piety and moral authority if holy war, decadence reduction if you're muslim, reduced revolt risk if it's a peasant rebellion, imperial triumph if you're Byzantium, ...
Basically everything except land (which, I agree, should be replaced. At least be able to grab the de-jure lands that you occupy would be nice)

 

[Dahoota]

Basically everything except land (which, I agree, should be replaced. At least be able to grab the de-jure lands that you occupy would be nice)

I'd like to see this added.

Or perhaps like a feature PDS implemented in Stellaris: when someone attacks you, you have have the option to state counter claims for objectives to fight the war over.

So if someone attacks you when you have claims on their titles, you can press a claim in response in the same war instead of fighting two totally separate wars - I can't think of a case where this ever happened historically.