Total AI insanity! List it here.

[Anthropoid]

Playing as Germany, I have to endure watching Japan get steam rolled in China knowing they have 50+ divisions sitting on their thumbs on the home islands . . . Even reboots don't jump start the JAP AI into doing anything. Just create a front and assign the damn divisions already. They have maybe a dozen divisions in China total. I guess I should know they will never get the Pacific theater right.

That is peculiar. I've only played 30 or so hours, but every time it is the exact opposite in my experience: Japan steamrollers China!

In fact, after I noticed it the first time, I bumped China's strength up one notch in the game setup pane, and they have been steamrollered TWICE again even with the extra buffing.

 

[Marcus]

This isn't totally true. The British tried to attack and occupy neutral Norway. hmm that is the only example I can think of right now though.

The UK also declared war on democratic (but Axis Co-Belligerent) Finland.

Still, democratic Germany declaring war on Switzerland is not right.

 

[Laotze]

That is peculiar. I've only played 30 or so hours, but every time it is the exact opposite in my experience: Japan steamrollers China!

In fact, after I noticed it the first time, I bumped China's strength up one notch in the game setup pane, and they have been steamrollered TWICE again even with the extra buffing.

I even bumped up Japan in setup a notch. Doesn't matter if the AI will not assign divisions. I have seen the AI fall asleep in other PI games. Usually a reboot sorts that out, no such luck this time.

 

[Johuotar]

I didn't see the Swiss attack but I did see recently capitulated Democratic Germany attacking Luxemburg and doing nothing in peace deal.

 

[ThuderLizard2]

Here's the US using it's aircraft well (not). At least Georgia is safe! This is a tag switch just after I invaded the West Coast as China

Also, idiotic naval deployment - note the "dangerous invasion" warning - AI doesn't seem to worried. Most of fleet at rest on Hampton Roads. And what's with all the tiny fleets of 1-3 ships? Is this new in 1.5?

 

[Invader_Canuck]

I feel like I'm reading a thread from July 2016.

 

[D3po]

As Communist China:
- I'm faction leader
- Quit the Chinese faction through focus tree.
- Get annex goals on the warlords.
- Sinkiang joins Comintern
- I declare on Shanxhi
- Sinkiang joins Shanxhi's war
- Sinkiang calls in the Soviets

*sigh*

So Sinkiang can be part of two factions?

 

[stjern]

How about AI suicide charges into forts and entrenched positions. An oldie and a baddie.

They confirmed they would not fix this bug several months before, maybe for 1.6 if players can stop demanding more features.

 

[stjern]

Factually incorrect. Paradox hired a dedicated AI programmer last year, but he/she is reluctant to use the forums. Threads like this make it difficult to deny that he/she made a sensible decision.

Really? So this secret AI programmer no-one has seen is also reluctant to put AI fixes in the 1.5 patch, right? Its a fact that they never had an AI programmer after the game was released. Please provide facts rather than just some ”secret person just hired” speculation.

 

[ThuderLizard2]

Here's another oldie but baddie - AI using poor template designs. Here's US infantry - why are they using a 8-1 template with no support recon? There's not one player who would use 8-1 19 wide divisions even a noob knows quickly to use at least 7-2 with recon/arty/engineer support.

And this armor template is a total joke - 3 Light - 3 Motorized 12-wide with no support???

Note US has plenty of mil xp to fix templates with. Why is this game still so badly broken???

 

[LakeClouds]

They confirmed they would not fix this bug several months before, maybe for 1.6 if players can stop demanding more features.

This seems like a pretty basic and game breaking bug. Darkest Hour and Hoi3 don't have this problem. And why blame the "players" for stopping the devs from fixing the AI bugs because they want more features?

 

[Ghostbear_g]

Here's another oldie but baddie - AI using poor template designs. Here's US infantry - why are they using a 8-1 template with no support recon? There's not one player who would use 8-1 19 wide divisions even a noob knows quickly to use at least 7-2 with recon/arty/engineer support.

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And this armor template is a total joke - 3 Light - 3 Motorized 12-wide with no support???

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Note US has plenty of mil xp to fix templates with. Why is this game still so badly broken???

Because while those divisions are hardly 100% Max efficiency designs they hardly seem the be game breaking. Hell I'd use them.

 

[xsmilingbanditx]

Really? So this secret AI programmer no-one has seen is also reluctant to put AI fixes in the 1.5 patch, right? Its a fact that they never had an AI programmer after the game was released. Please provide facts rather than just some ”secret person just hired” speculation.

They did. Maybe you think you miss fixes because WtT fundamentally changed alot of stuff which (naturally) implicates alot of changes to AI. And those did happen.

 

[LakeClouds]

Hell I'd use them.

Why would you use that armor template?

 

[Ghostbear_g]

It's cheap and I can use it for taking ground. However if it gets caught it won't fold like a complete house of cards since there is some infantry to give it a (small) backbone

 

[ThuderLizard2]

It's cheap and I can use it for taking ground. However if it gets caught it won't fold like a complete house of cards since there is some infantry to give it a (small) backbone

You must be new to this game. I have never seen anyone recommend a 3/3 division with no support. Standard is 5/5 with recon/maintenance and engineer and possibly signal or logistics. Many players go with 40 wide 13-7. Many use more complex templates including SPAAs and SPGs and TDs. If we met in a MP match you would be crushed with your 3/3 template pretty quickly.

 

[SchwarzKatze]

secret AI programmer no-one has seen

Actually, there really is a new AI programmer called Engin Mercan. Until now there was only Carl Carenvall, who doesn't work exclusively on the AI.

 

[Ghostbear_g]

You must be new to this game. I have never seen anyone recommend a 3/3 division with no support. Standard is 5/5 with recon/maintenance and engineer and possibly signal or logistics. Many players go with 40 wide 13-7. Many use more complex templates including SPAAs and SPGs and TDs. If we met in a MP match you would be crushed with your 3/3 template pretty quickly.

im not saying it is the ONLY template I'd use. ^_^ Just that I can see a use for it. My primary ARM use support companies etc. But it is true I really don't have much interest in competitive multiplayer. I only do some co-op with my friends

 

[SeekTruthFromFx]

Really? So this secret AI programmer no-one has seen is also reluctant to put AI fixes in the 1.5 patch, right? Its a fact that they never had an AI programmer after the game was released. Please provide facts rather than just some ”secret person just hired” speculation.

It's not speculation, I just summarized what @podcat said in the recent dev diary thread about AI: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...rformance-and-ai.1070758/page-7#post-23842603

The job advert was publicly available on the Paradox corporate site early last summer.

And if you want to see the fixes he's done, look at the 1.5 patchlog and/or open up the defines file. It's all there to see. The AI is obviously far from perfect, but the game is playable and the AI is regularly being improved. It's just that the task is very, very difficult (@Pyro157's post just below the linked one from Podcat is accurate).

 

[LakeClouds]

The AI is obviously far from perfect, but the game is playable and the AI is regularly being improved.

Based on this thread it seems the AI has a long, long, way to go. It seems playable if you don't know how the game works.