Tordesillas?

[Petrarca]

I mean that it is not impossible to annex Castiella, cos you have more provinces.

Okay, to the beta testers- is it more likely for Castile to annex Aragon, or vice versa? I am dying to know.
Also, for certain inheritances that happen for Aragon, e.g., the inheritance of Naples, does Castile/Spain get these events if it annexes Aragon?

 

[laurent]

Originally posted by celedhring



b) Reivindication of Provence, so its culture can be added to the ones of Aragon if Provence is conquered (with a GREAT stab in the relations with France). Although I fear that Paradox has put a "Frenchie" culture status for Provence

I already wrote that in another thread, but Provence did not have a peculiar culture remarkbly different from the rest of the southern half of France.



I am sure that we can come with this kind of events which are not attached to any specific historical event in particular, but can be more or less "foreseable" after observation of the common history of other nations and the aspirations and characteristics of the nation itself. [/B][/QUOTE]

Another way could be (assuming that people who know quite well the history of the said country are available) to "amplify" events which actually occured in a given region. Transform a historical local revolt in some huge civil war, for instance.

 

[BiB]

Castille tends to nearly always be the one becoming Spain and diplo annexing Aragon. This usually happens after the NAples thing but that is an Aragonese event, not Spanish or Castillian.

 

[celedhring]

Originally posted by Gorion
The best solution, IMHO: Make the condition to proclaim Spain the ownership of Madrid and Barcelona or Madrid and Lisbon

I thoroughly agree, having two of the main cities of the peninsula (although Madrid was a fly-shit village until the XVI century) should be a necessay requisite, and putting Lisbon there allows for an "alternative Spain" to be former, geographically weighed more to the Atlantinc than to the Mediterranean.

About the capitol, I agree that we should put an event when Charles I/V comes to power. I don't know, but probably there's already an event letting choose to remain in Burgundy and rule from there (and face Spanish uprising) or come to Spain. If it comes to Spain, apart from any other effect, capitol is finally fixed at Madrid and centralism gets +1, stab gets +1.

 

[unmerged(5934)]

I'm almost of the same opinion.

Having two of three cities seems more correct that having just one, and it should be Toledo or Valladolid (not sure, but I think that Valladolid was the capitol for some years before Phillip II moved to Madrid).

Lisbon was probably bigger than any other city of the iberian peninsula in the early years of the XVI century... there is a tale that Philip II asked someone where should he put the capitol, and that person (Alba?) said that, if he wanted to keep his dominions, it should be Madrid; if he wanted to increase them, Lisbon; there is a third part, if he wanted to lose them, it should be xxxxxx (I can't remember, Barcelona?, Naples?, Ghent?, Toledo or Seville? if anyone knows better, please reply)

About the event in the first years of Charles I/V, it shouldn't be 'move to Spain or there will be a revolt' because there _was_ a revolt, that of the 'Comuneros' and he accepted:
a)to have his heir, Philip, raised in Spain (in Castille, really)
b)he learnt castilian (when he arrived in Spain he couldn't speak any iberian language)
c)he accepted that only spanish nobles would occupy government posts
in Spain (not sure, but probably this applied only to castilians and Castille; many historians of old didn´t want see any difference between the two terms)
d)and he moved to Spain (or Castille, the same problem), for so much time as that errand knight could stay in one place, of course.

Better one of those 'several alternatives' events with varying intensities of the revolt in exchange for a varying level of
concessions to the castilian nobility, because Charles I/V didn't centralize the government IMHO, that was Philip's idea.

 

[BiB]

The thing is we'd quite like a longlived independent Portugal to do what it did historically

 

[unmerged(5934)]

I do, too (well, most of the time). But, 'citizen', weren't you a pink fluffy dinosaur? What happened, did you hear a rowdy crowd shouting 'The pink fluffy dinosaurs to the scaffold!' or did you became a sans culotte out of a deep soul searching?

 

[celedhring]

Originally posted by BiB
The thing is we'd quite like a longlived independent Portugal to do what it did historically

Or having a longlived independent Aragon to do what it did not historically. EU2 It's all about alternate history, so at least this option should be contemplated.

 

[Petrarca]

Or having a longlived independent Aragon to do what it did not historically. EU2 It's all about alternate history, so at least this option should be contemplated.

That is what I am aiming for. When I play Aragon, it would be nice to have leaders after the 1400s.

 

[Idiotboy]

Originally posted by Petrarca

That is what I am aiming for. When I play Aragon, it would be nice to have leaders after the 1400s.

Yes it would be nice not to have Mr Generic Guy 1-57 as a leader when i´m playing Byzantium and are busy recreating the glories of the Roman Empire.

 

[Owl]

Originally posted by Idiotboy


Yes it would be nice not to have Mr Generic Guy 1-57 as a leader when i´m playing Byzantium and are busy recreating the glories of the Roman Empire.

Then you're in the wrong thread -see "Save Game Editor" (q.v.)

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by Alatriste
I do, too (well, most of the time). But, 'citizen', weren't you a pink fluffy dinosaur? What happened, did you hear a rowdy crowd shouting 'The pink fluffy dinosaurs to the scaffold!' or did you became a sans culotte out of a deep soul searching?

Comes with the avatar

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by celedhring


Or having a longlived independent Aragon to do what it did not historically. EU2 It's all about alternate history, so at least this option should be contemplated.

The Portugal thing was deemed somewhat more important as that actually happened.

 

[unmerged(5934)]

Oh, man, a jacobine avatar! But it would be nicer in 'lozenge' with a frigian cap in the center... just a sugerence.

 

[Agelastus]

Originally posted by BiB
The Portugal thing was deemed somewhat more important as that actually happened.

Quelle surprise...................

A game of alternative history where they try to limit the alterations to more "historical" lines. In this case in the fifteenth century, a Union of Castile and Portugal was almost as likely as one between Castile and Aragon. Whether or not a "Lusitanian" union would have been more unstable is likely, but not for us to know................

 

[BiB]

Where have u been ? The idea behind this game has always been that if it was run without a human it should resemble history pretty close. U seem to assume otherwise.

 

[Agelastus]

Originally posted by BiB
Where have u been ? The idea behind this game has always been that if it was run without a human it should resemble history pretty close. U seem to assume otherwise.

BiB, hands off EU never remotely resembled actual history, and none of the AARs' for EU make me think any differently for that game..........other than the inclusion of scripted events, which even then can veeer off dramatically.

So why on earth do you think a Portuguese-Castilian union couldn't have the possibility of occurring-when actual history explicitly contradicts you!

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by Agelastus


BiB, hands off EU never remotely resembled actual history, and none of the AARs' for EU make me think any differently for that game..........other than the inclusion of scripted events, which even then can veeer off dramatically.

So why on earth do you think a Portuguese-Castilian union couldn't have the possibility of occurring-when actual history explicitly contradicts you!

I didn't say it resembled it, I said that that was the objective ...

 

[Agelastus]

Originally posted by BiB
I didn't say it resembled it, I said that that was the objective ...

An objective so spectacularly failed at twice is hardly an objective.....................

Your argument is not particularly fine-it's a game of "altering" history, not "reliving" it.

 

[unmerged(3440)]

I agree with Agelastus. After all, there are many multiple-choices events were the AI can choose a totally unhistorical path.

This would be the same, with the AI chosing the Portuguese option only 90 or 95% of the time.