Yep.
I'm playing a nice "alternative history" game now with England: Spain didn't form, Austria didn't inherit Burgundy (oh.. and England is winning the HYW
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Yep.
I'm playing a nice "alternative history" game now with England: Spain didn't form, Austria didn't inherit Burgundy (oh.. and England is winning the HYW
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Originally posted by Havard
Yep.
I'm playing a nice "alternative history" game now with England: Spain didn't form, Austria didn't inherit Burgundy (oh.. and England is winning the HYW
Flukey game u got there
Although mildly off topic, while the unlikely events of Spain not forming etc may not occur often, play the game enough times to watch AI Byzantium conquer Germany, or Savoie rule North Africa and you know that things like no-Spain will happen quite a bit. For goodness sake, in many games I've played Austria actually Diplo-Annexes Hungary
So, what leaders do Castille and Aragon get, are they a mixture of the Generals who would have gone to Spain?
So, what leaders do Castille and Aragon get, are they a mixture of the Generals who would have gone to Spain?
Originally posted by BiB
None too many
So if Spain does not form, neither Castille nor Aragon will take her place?
Originally posted by BiB
None too many
Hmm, that's a little off-after all, the Spanish leaders would mostly still exist, and coming from prominent families would/should be available to whichever their home country is-Castile or Aragon.
It would be nice if you could bid for Columbus' services-or agree to fund him as Portugal.
Well you can copy the leaders across with different tags but you run the risk of two of Cortez or Columbus. There is no way of doing an "if Columbus exists then ignore Columbus in Aragon / Portugal" in the leader file. I guess you could use the events for a few leaders like they do with alternate dynastic lines. But alot of work.
So we know what is the first thing the IGC II must correct: Add leaders to Castile and Aragon.
Like I said, adding leader is not the problem. Avoiding Corboda fighting himself is!
ToT
A funny thing about the whole ToT and the game -
The game awards provinces to Spain or Portugal based on what they really settled. Many of those historic settlements, however, were themselves violations of the Treaty. Some of the Portugese settlements in Brazil were west of the line, and several Spanish colonies in the Indies - most prominently the Philipines - were over the line. I learned this recently in Geoffrey Parker's The Grand Strategy of Philip II, an excellent book, BTW.
So EU should really put Portugal's shield on all the Indies islands and Spains on all but the easternmost couple of Brazilian provinces.
A funny thing about the whole ToT and the game -
The game awards provinces to Spain or Portugal based on what they really settled. Many of those historic settlements, however, were themselves violations of the Treaty. Some of the Portugese settlements in Brazil were west of the line, and several Spanish colonies in the Indies - most prominently the Philipines - were over the line. I learned this recently in Geoffrey Parker's The Grand Strategy of Philip II, an excellent book, BTW.
So EU should really put Portugal's shield on all the Indies islands and Spains on all but the easternmost couple of Brazilian provinces.
Yeah, I think someone brought this up on the GD forum for EU1. I guess cartography wasn't so good in those days
AFAIK Paradox has said that they did this deliberately. It also tends to separate Portugal and Spain colonially which gives Portugal a chance in my opinion.
Going back to ToT - you can edit it but you can't give ToT to anyone else in the same way (I think). So you could add a non historical alternative but it would only get followed 15% of the time cos ToT is a HugeEvents.txt not an major_pap.txt and hence country independent (or perhaps dependent on too many countries).
AFAIK Paradox has said that they did this deliberately. It also tends to separate Portugal and Spain colonially which gives Portugal a chance in my opinion.
Going back to ToT - you can edit it but you can't give ToT to anyone else in the same way (I think). So you could add a non historical alternative but it would only get followed 15% of the time cos ToT is a HugeEvents.txt not an major_pap.txt and hence country independent (or perhaps dependent on too many countries).
Re: ToT
Longitude was virtually impossible to measure in those days. So as a result, in actuality both the Spanish in the Philipines and the Portuguese in Brazil thought they were settling within the limits defined by the treaty. it wasn't until the late 1700s that longitude was first accurately measured and the assumptions made in the 1500 were shown to be false...
Longitude was virtually impossible to measure in those days. So as a result, in actuality both the Spanish in the Philipines and the Portuguese in Brazil thought they were settling within the limits defined by the treaty. it wasn't until the late 1700s that longitude was first accurately measured and the assumptions made in the 1500 were shown to be false...
The treaty can't go into effect. That's part of the reason that the "Portugal is annexed by Castile way too often" problem has been receiving high priority during beta testing...
If it is possible, I will happily edit Tordesillas to include a substitute power if possible.
What are the conditions of the Birth of Spain event? I.e., can Aragon claim being Spain without having absorbed Castile, as I would like to play past 1500 and still have leaders.
The chance of not having a "Colombo" is really strange...
for the Treaty, IIRC the first definition of the longitude was later corrected to permit the Portuguese colonization of Brazil
for the Treaty, IIRC the first definition of the longitude was later corrected to permit the Portuguese colonization of Brazil
BiB: There is a large difference between 'Spain always forms' and 'Spain forms 99%' of the time in the framework of this question. It was asked what happens IF they do not unite.
And yes, BiB -- since some of us aren't beta testers, or haven't been on these boards very long, we may not always have your perfect understanding of the situation.
As for leaders of a nation only going to that nation -- I've never heard that in the context of Castilla vs. Spain until now. Granted I don't read every single post on the board... too hard to do.
Anyhow -- if you really think that you answered the question just fine, then I humbly submit that perhaps you did not say what you meant because what you did say was most certainly not answering the question posed.
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Originally posted by Derek Pullem
Like I said, adding leader is not the problem. Avoiding Corboda fighting himself is!
This isn't a problem.
If Castilla and Aragon unite -- then Cordoba goes to Spain.
If Castilla and Aragon do NOT unite, then you give Cordoba to one or the other. Not both.
However, I have to note also that it does not appear, from what BiB has said, that any Spainish leaders will be available to either Castilla or Aragon. Obviously, Paradox is going to let the player community worry about this -- even though IMHO it should be dealt with in the game.
Not a biggie -- but it would be nice.